Help with a Trigonometric identity

In summary: However, it's still possible that there is something more to be found. He wants to show how the left-hand side of the equation can be reduced to the right hand side. It's an O-level type of proving trigo identities question.And how do you know? Did questionn tell you personally or is that just your opinion. The fact that it is NOT an identity makes me wonder.The topic of the title is Help with a Trigonometric identity... Why would it become a solve the equation?I'm going to assume it's a trig identity, since that's the title of this thread, not "help me solve this trig equation."
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Help with a Trigonometric identity...

Homework Statement



(sin x + sin 2x + sin 4x) / (cos x + cos 2x + cos 4x) = tan 2x

Homework Equations



sin 2x = 2sinxcosx; cos 2x = cos^2x - sin^2x

The Attempt at a Solution



solving left side,

=[sin x + sin 2x + sin (2x + 2x)]/[cos x + cos 2x + cos (2x+2x)]
=[sin x + sin 2x + 4 sin x*cos^3 x - 4 sin^3 x * cos x] / [cos x + cos 2x + 1 - 6 sin^2 x * cos^2 x]

Cannot go beyond this!

solving right side,
=2 sin x cos x/(cos^2 x - sin^2 x)
=sin 2x/cos 2x
 
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I don't even think that identity holds. Try x=pi/4, pi/6. It doesn't add up.
 
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What exactly is the "problem statement"? You give an expression. What do want to do with it?
 
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He wants to show how the left-hand side of the equation can be reduced to the right hand side. It's an O-level type of proving trigo identities question.
 
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This is one of those messed up identities. As Defennnder already pointed out, there are values that make the right side undefined, that clearly don't make the left side undefined. Its not a true identities. Many textbooks for some reason do this...
 
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Defennnder said:
He wants to show how the left-hand side of the equation can be reduced to the right hand side. It's an O-level type of proving trigo identities question.
And how do you know? Did questionn tell you personally or is that just your opinion. The fact that it is NOT an identity makes me wonder.
 
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Defennnder said:
He wants to show how the left-hand side of the equation can be reduced to the right hand side. It's an O-level type of proving trigo identities question.
And how do you know? Did questionn tell you personally or is that just your opinion. The fact that it is NOT an identity makes me wonder.
 
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Well, that's the best intepretation I can give it. The equal sign is a big hint though. More importantly the "strategy" used to solve this type of problem is to either start with the LHS and reduce it to the RHS or start with RHS then reduce to LHS is evident in his post. The thread title also hints at this. But if he didn't make any typo error, then perhaps the question should be interpreted to mean "Prove the trigo identity, if possible"
 
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Why are you assuming it couldn't be "solve this equation"?
 
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Yeah I guess you may be right. That's probably what it could mean, since I don't know what else it could be. Just have to wait for the OP to reply.
 
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sin4x = 2sin2xcos2x

thats the way i was taught to do it
 
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Usually the factor formulae are helpful when you have things like sinP+sinQ
 
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HallsofIvy said:
And how do you know? Did questionn tell you personally or is that just your opinion. The fact that it is NOT an identity makes me wonder.

The topic of the title is Help with a Trigonometric identity... Why would it become a solve the equation?
 
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I'm also going to assume it's a trig identity, since that's the title of this thread, not "help me solve this trig equation." If you inspect the graph of each function, they're sort of close together between about -pi/4 and pi/4. But, clearly, the graphs are not the same. (OP, that's one strategy to see if it is an identity.)

I know I've seen a trig identity very similar to that problem. If I had more time, I'd play a little and see if I couldn't come up with one.
 
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Okay, I worked it backwards a bit
(I know "you're not allowed to do this", but I was trying to see what the typo might have been.)

multiply the right side by the denominator.
tan2x (cosx + cos2x + cos4x)
now, the tan2x times cos2x takes care of the sin2x term on the left hand side of the equation.

Subtract the sin2x from both sides to see what we have left.
Left: sinx + sin4x
Right: tan2x(cosx+cos4x)
Right: tan2x * cosx + tan2x*cos4x
I'll look at the 2nd term first:
tan2x is tan(4x/2) - use a half angle formula.
[(1-cos4x)/sin4x]*cos4x

oh crud, never mind; I wanted to badly to see 1 - cos^2 4x in that numerator, which would reduce that 2nd term to sin4x. Close, but no cigar. However, that hinted that there may be something relatively close to what the OP's original problem is... My kids are waiting in the car else I'd spend a couple more minutes on it.

It might be worthwhile to attempt to start with tan2x written as tan(4x/2) and use the half angle identity = (1-cos4x)/sin4x then fiddle around with it to introduce some other terms.
 
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Related to Help with a Trigonometric identity

1. What is a trigonometric identity?

A trigonometric identity is a mathematical equation that relates one or more trigonometric functions. These identities can be used to simplify or manipulate trigonometric expressions.

2. How do I prove a trigonometric identity?

To prove a trigonometric identity, you must use algebraic manipulations and known trigonometric identities to transform one side of the equation into the other. This process is similar to solving an equation, but with the added step of using trigonometric identities.

3. What are some common trigonometric identities?

Some common trigonometric identities include the Pythagorean identities, sum and difference identities, double angle identities, and half angle identities. These identities are frequently used to simplify trigonometric expressions and solve trigonometric equations.

4. How do I know which trigonometric identity to use?

Knowing which trigonometric identity to use comes with practice and familiarity with the different identities. It is important to carefully examine the given expression and decide which identities can be applied to simplify it. In general, it is helpful to start with the most basic identities and work your way up to more complex ones.

5. Can trigonometric identities be used in real-world applications?

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