Help with basic Calculus (Equation of a Tangent Line) Please?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the equation of the tangent line to the curve defined by the equation 3x³ + y³ = 10xy at the point (1, 3). This falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically dealing with derivatives and tangent lines.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to separate x and y in the equation and take the derivative. They express confusion about setting the derivative equal to zero and seek clarification on the correct steps to take after deriving the slope.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on evaluating the derivative at the given point to find the slope. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct form of the tangent line equation and the steps to derive it. Multiple interpretations of the process are being discussed, particularly regarding the use of different forms of the tangent line equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty about the initial steps in finding the tangent line, as well as the appropriateness of different methods to derive the equation. The original poster expresses a desire for foundational steps to approach similar problems in the future.

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This is my first post, and I'm excited to be able to receive quality help from what seems to be a good place. I'll attempt to start using the proper format and make it easy for everyone to read, thank you for the help! This should be a simple problem, but I seem to have forgotten how to do it.


Homework Statement


Write the equation of the line tangent to the curve 3x3+y3=10xy at the point (1,3)


Homework Equations


3x3+y3=10xy


The Attempt at a Solution


my attempt revolved around getting x and y on separate sides of the equation, then taking the derivative of each side. I ended up getting:

y'(x)=(10y-9x2)/(-10x+3y2)

For some reason I thought to plug set that equal to 0 and then plug in my x and y coordinates and then plug that value into x for my original equation, but I know something went completely wrong somewhere, so I'm wondering at what point I went wrong and was wondering if there were a few starting steps I could get to do a problem like this. Thanks!
 
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Spencero94 said:
This is my first post, and I'm excited to be able to receive quality help from what seems to be a good place. I'll attempt to start using the proper format and make it easy for everyone to read, thank you for the help! This should be a simple problem, but I seem to have forgotten how to do it.


Homework Statement


Write the equation of the line tangent to the curve 3x3+y3=10xy at the point (1,3)


Homework Equations


3x3+y3=10xy


The Attempt at a Solution


my attempt revolved around getting x and y on separate sides of the equation, then taking the derivative of each side. I ended up getting:

y'(x)=(10y-9x2)/(-10x+3y2)

For some reason I thought to plug set that equal to 0 and then plug in my x and y coordinates and then plug that value into x for my original equation, but I know something went completely wrong somewhere, so I'm wondering at what point I went wrong and was wondering if there were a few starting steps I could get to do a problem like this. Thanks!

The tangent to the curve at (1,3) is given by y'(1). That doesn't have to be zero. Find what it is by putting x=1 and y=3 into the derivative formula you so correctly derived.
 
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Spencero94 said:
This is my first post, and I'm excited to be able to receive quality help from what seems to be a good place. I'll attempt to start using the proper format and make it easy for everyone to read, thank you for the help! This should be a simple problem, but I seem to have forgotten how to do it.


Homework Statement


Write the equation of the line tangent to the curve 3x3+y3=10xy at the point (1,3)


Homework Equations


3x3+y3=10xy


The Attempt at a Solution


my attempt revolved around getting x and y on separate sides of the equation, then taking the derivative of each side. I ended up getting:

y'(x)=(10y-9x2)/(-10x+3y2)

For some reason I thought to plug set that equal to 0 and then plug in my x and y coordinates and then plug that value into x for my original equation, but I know something went completely wrong somewhere, so I'm wondering at what point I went wrong and was wondering if there were a few starting steps I could get to do a problem like this. Thanks!

Hi Spencer! Welcome to PF! This is a great resource, and not only for HW help.

Your equation for the derivative is correct. I'm not sure what you're setting equal to 0; at this point plug in your values for x and y to get the value for the derivative, or equivalently the slope. What would you do next, now that you have a point and a slope?
 
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Thank you so much for your replies!

I believe that the number I get after plugging in would then be slope (m) and then I could easily plug that into y=mx+b and get my full answer. Such a simple problem that I over-thought!
 
Spencero94 said:
Thank you so much for your replies!

I believe that the number I get after plugging in would then be slope (m) and then I could easily plug that into y=mx+b and get my full answer. Such a simple problem that I over-thought!

Almost. That should be the final form of the equation after simplifying. The equation you plug the numbers into is slightly different: ##y - y_1 = m (x - x_1)##
 
Ohh, thank you. Is it also possible to find b first using y=mx+b and then to plug b back into the slope intercept form, or is that considered incorrect procedure?
 
Spencero94 said:
Ohh, thank you. Is it also possible to find b first using y=mx+b and then to plug b back into the slope intercept form, or is that considered incorrect procedure?

That is a fine procedure.
 

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