Help with Bending of a Plate with unique boundary conditions

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The discussion revolves around the bending stress distribution in a rectangular plate with unique boundary conditions, specifically with two sides simply supported and a point force applied. Participants explore the challenges of finding an analytical solution and consider numerical methods, particularly finite element analysis (FEA), as a potential approach.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, hushish, seeks help with the bending stress distribution in a rectangular plate with specific boundary conditions and a point force applied.
  • Another participant, Baluncore, suggests that the force should be applied over a finite area to avoid infinite pressure and proposes using finite element analysis as a numerical solution.
  • Baluncore also draws an analogy to electrical fields, suggesting that the current distribution in a grounded resistive sheet may provide insights into the problem.
  • SteamKing notes that while plate problems can be elegantly described, their solutions are often complex and typically require numerical methods, particularly for non-trivial cases.
  • SteamKing emphasizes the importance of finite element and boundary element techniques in modern analysis of plate structures, especially in industries like aerospace and shipbuilding.
  • A later participant discusses the implications of the boundary conditions, indicating that the supports allow for rotation and may complicate the analysis.
  • Another participant expresses hope that their case might be a trivial solution but acknowledges the necessity of finite element analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that finite element analysis is a likely necessary approach for solving the problem, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the solution or the applicability of different methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the bending stress distribution and the implications of the boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem, indicating that it may not fall into trivial cases and that the solutions often depend on numerical methods. There is also mention of the limitations of analytical solutions in the context of the specific boundary conditions described.

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Hi,

Can anybody help me withg the following problem:

A rectangular plate with points starting from top left corner and going clockwise:: A B C D. Sides CD and DA are simply supported, and a point force F is applied anywhere on the surface. I am looking for the bending stress distribution in the plate.

I have looked in all the relevant textobooks and online, but have yet to come across an example of such a situation.

Thanks,

hushish
 
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What a beautiful problem. I would have expected a very elegant general analytic solution.

Unfortunately, if a force is applied to a point then the infinite pressure will punch through the plate. For that reason the force must be applied to a small finite area of the plate. This upsets the analytic solution of your idealised model somewhat, it may explain why it is not found in the literature.

The obvious numerical solution would be to use finite element analysis.

I suspect you may find an analogue solution in the electrical field. Consider a rectangular resistive sheet, grounded along two adjacent edges. A current is injected into one small patch of the resistive sheet. The potential and current distributions give the solution you are seeking.
 
Thanks Baluncore,

I am not familiar with electrical field applications, can you point me in the right direction?

If it would help, the force can be distributed over a finite circle of radius R. What would the displacement and load distribution look like then? I assume it needs to be of the following form to solve the differential equation:

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hushish said:
Hi,

Can anybody help me withg the following problem:

A rectangular plate with points starting from top left corner and going clockwise:: A B C D. Sides CD and DA are simply supported, and a point force F is applied anywhere on the surface. I am looking for the bending stress distribution in the plate.

I have looked in all the relevant textobooks and online, but have yet to come across an example of such a situation.

Thanks,

hushish

In general, while plate problems can be described rather elegantly, their solutions can be somewhat difficult and messy, even numerical solutions.

Take a gander here:

http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/plates/theory.cfm

For small deflections, the plate problem is an example of a bi-harmonic problem. Except for a few trivial examples, these problems have to be solved numerically, using some type of finite element approach.
 
Thanks SteamKing,

I was hoping that my case fell inside the "trivial" solution side, but it seems like FE is the only answer.
 
hushish said:
Thanks SteamKing,

I was hoping that my case fell inside the "trivial" solution side, but it seems like FE is the only answer.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I think your research on this problem has barely scratched the surface.

The link I enclosed mentioned 'solid mechanics', which is one discipline which studies plate problems, among others.

While most of the information on the solution to such problems once came from actual test results on real plates, FE and Boundary Element techniques have closed the gap in recent years, with some codes accurately reproducing test results done on real plates. There's a large body of work out there, because plate structures are very important in the aerospace and shipbuilding industries.
 
What you have is a mechanism (i.e. the number of degrees of freedom is less than the number of equations . As the only two supported sides are simply supported only (i.e. have no fixity). If the supports are truly supported and have no fixity the beam will simply be allowed to rotate at its free end.

If you have a FE program try it out and the analysis will fail. Even simpler, try a simple beam with only a pin restraining translation only in x and y directions. The analysis will fail.
 
Hi Henneh,

The following boundary conditions definitely do work in FE.

Regards,
 

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