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The discussion revolves around finding the electric potential using the Laplace solution in a two-dimensional Cartesian context. Participants explore the forms of the solutions, including exponential, sinusoidal, and hyperbolic functions, and how to choose between them based on the problem's geometry and boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding when to use different forms of the solution for X(x), including exponential and trigonometric forms.
  • Another participant confirms that C1e^kx + D1e-kx can be rewritten as C1 cosh kx + D1 sinh kx, but questions the equivalence of sinusoidal forms.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between sine/cosine and sinh/cosh through imaginary scaling, suggesting that all forms can lead to equivalent solutions depending on the boundary conditions.
  • One participant emphasizes that the choice between sin/cos and sinh/cosh is determined by boundary conditions, noting that not all coefficients can be purely real or imaginary in a two-dimensional problem.
  • Another participant mentions that the formalism of separation of variables can be applied in two dimensions, indicating that the third component can be suppressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to take when selecting the form of the solution. There are competing views on the equivalence of the different formulations and the role of boundary conditions in determining the appropriate choice.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of function forms is heavily dependent on the specific boundary conditions of the problem, which introduces uncertainty in determining the most suitable approach.

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I'm struggling to learn how to find the potential using laplace solution. I know that X(x) can be rewritten in terms of C1e^kx + D1e-kx OR C1 cosh kx + D1 sinh kx OR cos kx + sin kx... but when do you know how to use which form. I understand it partially but not fully. And then how do you consider Y(y)? Given its a 2-dim problem in cartesian. Any information or references would be immensely appreciated!
 
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C1e^kx + D1e-kx can be rewritten as C1 cosh kx + D1 sinh kx, correct? Depending on the geometry of the problem, but cos kx + sin kx cannot be rewritten right? You need one sinusoidal and one hyperbolic function in the 2dim case, is that right?
 
Cosine and sine can be related to cosh and sinh by scaling the argument by the imaginary number i. So there really is no difference between either one of the three formulations because in the end, all it will change is the phase of your solved modes k. But as long as you properly solve for the coefficients and k then you should come up with equivalent solutions for either of the three cases because all three form equivalent bases for the solutions to Laplace's equation in terms of the modes k. Although, some cases can be easier than others if you know more about the conditions of the problem. For example, if you know that the boundary conditions at infinity are Dirichlet with values of zero then using the exponential form is desirable because we can quickly see that the coefficient on the exp(kx) term must be zero otherwise the solution would blow up. This is not so readily seen if we took the sinusoidal or even hyperbolic sinusoidal cases.
 
If it's truly a 2-dimensional problem you just suppress the 3rd component (you can equally well do the formalism of separation of variables in only 2D, it turns out to be the same just with only two functions).

As far as choosing sin/cos or sinh/cosh, this kind of thing is revealed only by the boundary conditions. Let's say you know that X(x) is sins and cosines. Then the other component (assuming 2D) must be sinh/cosh (or the specific case of exponentials). This follows directly from the laplace equation, where you know that not all of the coefficients can be real/imaginary, but there must be some mixing.

Laplace equation is just all about the boundary conditions.
 

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