Help with graphical technique of adding 2 sinusoids

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The discussion revolves around understanding the graphical technique of adding two sinusoids, specifically in the context of equation 9.11 and its representation in Fig. 9.4 (a). Participants explore the use of phasor representation and vector addition of sinusoids.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of equation 9.11 with Fig. 9.4 (a) and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant explains that the equations are represented as 2D vectors using phasor representation, noting the relationship between cosine and sine functions as having a phase difference of π/2.
  • It is suggested that the contributions of each sinusoid to the resultant vector are determined by their amplitudes, and this method is not valid for phase differences other than nπ/2.
  • A participant encourages expanding the right-hand side of the equation to clarify the concept, adding a light-hearted comment about competition in physics discussions.
  • One participant acknowledges the clarification about vectors and expresses frustration over the clarity of the material, while another notes that phasors will be covered in the next chapter.
  • A later post mentions the equivalence of cosine and sine functions, suggesting that A.cos(wt) can be replaced by A.sin(wt+π/2) as an exact equivalence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of phasor representation for adding sinusoids, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the material or the best approach to understanding it. Some participants express differing views on how the concepts should be presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about phase relationships and the applicability of the phasor method for arbitrary sinusoids. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.

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I have a problem understanding how equation 9.11 (see attached) works with Fig. 9.4 (a). Any help would be appreciated.


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The two equations (9.11) are being represented as a 2D vector (fig 9.4 a).

The authors have used the phasor representation of the sinusoids and the diagrams represent the vector sums of the phasors. I'd have explained it a bit differently.

Basically, cosine and sine functions have a relative phase of π/2 - so you can use them as x and y axes. The amount each contributes to the result is it's amplitude, which is what is being plotted on the axis. This does not work if the sinusoids have other than nπ/2: n=0,1,2,...

In general - use the phasor representation for arbitrary sinusoids and add the phasor arrows head-to-tail just like vectors.
 
Try expanding the right hand side, you'll see that it works out :)

Edit: Oops beaten, cutthroat business this physics stuff :P
 
Thanks for that. Makes sense now that I realize they are vectors. Makes you wonder why they didn't make it clearer. Phasors is the subject of the next chapter.
 
Phasors is the subject of the next chapter.
Ah well, they are trying to be kind to you by building up to them.
I always just launch right into it. By now you've had vectors drilled into you so you see them in your sleep so you can handle rotating vectors no problem.

Never mind - skip ahead to phasors and you'll see it makes better sense.
 
p75213 said:
I have a problem understanding how equation 9.11 (see attached) works with Fig. 9.4 (a).
Remember, wherever you see A.cos(wt) you can replace it by A.sin(wt+Pi/2) because this is an exact equivalence.

By similar reasoning, -cos(wt) = cos(wt+Pi) = cos(wt-Pi)
 

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