Help with Logarithmic Differentiation

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The discussion revolves around the application of logarithmic differentiation to the function y = [2x + 1]^5 * [(x^4) - 3]^6. Participants are examining the steps taken to differentiate this expression and comparing their results with a textbook answer.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of logarithmic differentiation and question the correctness of the derivative steps taken. There is an exploration of how to properly apply the properties of logarithms in differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into potential misunderstandings regarding the application of logarithmic properties. Others have suggested breaking down the problem into smaller steps to clarify the differentiation process. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of the chain rule and the product rule in this context.

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There is mention of a textbook answer that differs from the participants' calculations, leading to questions about the assumptions made during differentiation. Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of logarithmic differentiation for this problem.

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Homework Statement


y = [2x + 1]^5 * [(x^4) - 3]^6

Homework Equations


I take the derivative of the natural log of both sides:

(y' / y) = [(10 ln(2x + 1)^4) / (2x + 1)] + [(24x^3 ln(x^4 - 3)^5) / (x^4 - 3)]

then I multiply both sides by the original function:

y' = [((10 ln(2x + 1)^4) / (2x + 1)) + ((24x^3 ln(x^4 - 3)^5) / (x^4 - 3))] * [(2x + 1)^5 * ((x^4) - 3)^6]

My book, however, says the answer is:

y' = [(10 / (2x + 1)) + (24x^3 / (x^4 - 3))] * [(2x + 1)^5 * ((x^4) - 3)^6]

^ i.e., the same thing without the logs.

Could someone please explain what I did wrong, or where I might have gone wrong?

The Attempt at a Solution


What you see above.
 
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communitycoll said:

Homework Statement


y = [2x + 1]^5 * [(x^4) - 3]^6

Homework Equations


I take the derivative of the natural log of both sides:

(y' / y) = [(10 ln(2x + 1)^4) / (2x + 1)] + [(24x^3 ln(x^4 - 3)^5) / (x^4 - 3)]

then I multiply both sides by the original function:

y' = [((10 ln(2x + 1)^4) / (2x + 1)) + ((24x^3 ln(x^4 - 3)^5) / (x^4 - 3))] * [(2x + 1)^5 * ((x^4) - 3)^6]

My book, however, says the answer is:

y' = [(10 / (2x + 1)) + (24x^3 / (x^4 - 3))] * [(2x + 1)^5 * ((x^4) - 3)^6]

^ i.e., the same thing without the logs.

Could someone please explain what I did wrong, or where I might have gone wrong?

The Attempt at a Solution


What you see above.
It's helpful to do the problem in steps.

What did you get for ln(y) ?

Then, what did you get for the derivative of that result?
 
SammyS said:
It's helpful to do the problem in steps.

What did you get for ln(y) ?

Then, what did you get for the derivative of that result?

I got ln(y) for ln(y), I'm not sure I understand the first question.

The derivative of that I got:

(1 / y)(y')
 
I think that you took your derivitives wrong.

I see that you broke it up into the sum of two logs, but remember that they are of the form ln(u^n) and not of the form ln(u)^n.
 
Villyer said:
I think that you took your derivitives wrong.

I see that you broke it up into the sum of two logs, but remember that they are of the form ln(u^n) and not of the form ln(u)^n.

I use chain rule on each of those logs; should I not?
 
Ah, forget I asked anything. I understand what I did wrong. Thanks anyway.
 
communitycoll said:
I got ln(y) for ln(y), I'm not sure I understand the first question.
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If y = [2x + 1]5 * [(x^4) - 3]6, then ln(y) = __?__ .
 
Is there a reason you didn't apply the relationship for the derivative of the product of two functions? Did the question constrain you to use logarithmic differentiation?
 

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