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The discussion revolves around finding tangents to the curve y=x², specifically addressing points not on the curve and exploring conditions for tangency. Participants are examining multiple related problems, including tangents through external points and the relationship between secants and tangents.

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  • Participants discuss the slope of tangents and the implications of points not lying on the curve. There is confusion about how to find tangents that pass through external points and how to relate secants to tangents. Some suggest drawing diagrams to visualize relationships.

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There is active engagement with various interpretations of the problems. Some participants provide guidance on how to set up equations based on slopes and points, while others express uncertainty about the conditions for tangency and the implications of given points.

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Participants note the specific conditions of the problems, such as the requirement that certain points are not on the curve, which affects the approach to finding tangents. There is also mention of needing to derive relationships involving parameters b and c in the context of tangents.

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I have multiple problems :


Find the tangent to the curve [tex]y=x^{2}[/tex] going through the point [tex](2,0)[/tex]. Note that [tex](2,0)[/tex] is not a point of the curve.

Well, I know the line tangent to the curve at 2 must have the slope of 2x, or 4. Now to find the equation of the line, I substitute the point into the equation y=4x + b, in which I obtain y = 4x - 8.

I don't understand how the book obtained y= 8x -16 as the answer? What did I do wrong?

At what point of the curve [tex]y=x^{2}[/tex] is the tangent parallel to the secant drawn through the points with abscissas 1 and 3?

I understand the entire question until it hits to, "secant drawn through the points with abscissas..." I don't understand how I can find a single line parallel to two other lines with two different slopes ?


For what values of b and c does the curve [tex]y=x^{2} + bx +c[/tex]have the line y=x as a tangent at the point with abscissa 2?

No clue.
 
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razored said:
I have multiple problems :


Find the tangent to the curve [tex]y=x^{2}[/tex] going through the point [tex](2,0)[/tex]. Note that [tex](2,0)[/tex] is not a point of the curve.

Well, I know the line tangent to the curve at 2 must have the slope of 2x, or 4.
No, you don't know that. The line tangent to the curve at x= a must have slope 2a but the "tangent to the curve through (2, 0)" is NOT tangent to the curve AT x= 2! The problem specifically tells you that (2, 0) is NOT a point of y= x2 so the tangent uyou want is NOT tangent at x= 2.

Now to find the equation of the line, I substitute the point into the equation y=4x + b, in which I obtain y = 4x - 8.

I don't understand how the book obtained y= 8x -16 as the answer? What did I do wrong?
You don't know where that line is tangent to the curve so just call it x= a. The line tangent to y= x2 at (a, a2 is of the form y= (2a)(x- a)+ a2. For that line to pass through (2, 0), it must satisfy 0= (2a)(2-a)+ a2. Solve that equation for a.

At what point of the curve [tex]y=x^{2}[/tex] is the tangent parallel to the secant drawn through the points with abscissas 1 and 3?

I understand the entire question until it hits to, "secant drawn through the points with abscissas..." I don't understand how I can find a single line parallel to two other lines with two different slopes ?
There are not two other lines. There is a single line given by two points. What are the points on the curve with abscissas 1 and 3? What is the slope of the line (secant) through those points?

For what values of b and c does the curve [tex]y=x^{2} + bx +c[/tex]have the line y=x as a tangent at the point with abscissa 2?

No clue.
The point on the curve with abscissa 2 is, of course, (2, 4+ 2b+ c). What is the equation of the tangent line at that point (it will involve b and c). Set that equal to x (for all x) and solve for b and c. (Since it is true for all x, you can get two equations for a and b by letting x be any two values.)
 
Let's just take the first one. They TOLD you (2,0) was NOT on the curve y=x^2 and you went ahead and computed the slope of the tangent as though it were anyway. Draw a picture. You want a line tangent to y=x^2 that ALSO passes through (0,2). So pick any point on the curve. Say (x,x^2) and imagine a line passing through (x,x^2) and (0,2). What's the slope of that (just use m=delta(y)/delta(x)). Now that slope should be the same as the slope of the tangent to the curve at (x,x^2). As you've noted, that's 2*x. Equate those two slopes. You should get a quadratic equation to solve for x.
 
I thought the point is on the curve but rather on the line, in which the line intersects that point for the first one.
 
razored said:
I thought the point is on the curve but rather on the line, in which the line intersects that point for the first one.

You mean you thought the point is NOT on the curve? Yes, that is correct- the point (0,2) is not on the graph y= x2 but is on the tangent line. In your first post you were assuming that the point (2, 0) was on both the line and the curve- that it was the "point of tangency".
 

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