Help with understanding inexact differential

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the concepts of gradient and slope as presented in specific equations (145 and 147) related to inexact differentials. Participants seek clarification on the definitions and applications of these terms within the context of the equations provided.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note a distinction between the terms "slope" and "gradient," with the former commonly used in the US and the latter in Europe.
  • One participant explains that the gradient can be represented as a vector for functions of multiple variables, such as ##\nabla z = (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial y})##.
  • Another participant agrees with the explanation regarding the directionality of the gradient but raises a point about the potential for movement in both directions along a line, suggesting that the concept of direction may not be singular.
  • There is a request for clarification on how the expression ##X'Y'/τ## in equation 147 is derived, indicating uncertainty about this mathematical step.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of slope and gradient, with some agreeing on the explanations provided while others raise additional questions and points of clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of equation 147.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions and assumptions regarding the terms "slope" and "gradient," as well as unresolved mathematical steps related to equation 147.

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How is equation 145 giving a direction(ie gradient) and not a slope?.

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how is equation 147 arrived at?

Any help would be much appreciated.
 

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Can someone please explain this to me. Haven't been able to find an answer .
 
granzer said:
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How is equation 145 giving a direction(ie gradient) and not a slope?.Also here

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how is equation 147 arrived at?

Any help would be much appreciated.
I can just barely read the images you posted.
For your first question, in the US, we tend to call ##\frac {dy}{dx}## a slope; in Europe, people tend to call this a gradient. I prefer to reserve the term gradient to functions such as this: If z = f(x, y), then ##\nabla z = (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial y})##

If y = 3x, then y' or (##\frac{dy}{dx}##) = 3. This gives a direction in the sense that from any point on the graph of this line, you can get to another point by going right 1 unit and then up 3 units.

Same idea for your second question.
 
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Mark44 said:
I can just barely read the images you posted.
For your first question, in the US, we tend to call ##\frac {dy}{dx}## a slope; in Europe, people tend to call this a gradient. I prefer to reserve the term gradient to functions such as this: If z = f(x, y), then ##\nabla z = (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial y})##

If y = 3x, then y' or (##\frac{dy}{dx}##) = 3. This gives a direction in the sense that from any point on the graph of this line, you can get to another point by going right 1 unit and then up 3 units.

Same idea for your second question.
@Mark44 Hello Sir,

Thank you so much. The answers u gave have cleared my doubt about equation 147 and I completely agree with you. I was wondering if it should be given as a slope. And yes going right 1 step and going up 3 step gives a direction from the point. But it is also true going 3 step down and one step back we can get another point. So the direction is both front and back and not a particular direction that would be given by a gradient. But if we take gradient to mean slope here then my doubt is cleared.

But with regard to eq 147, it is given:

##∂σ/∂x=X'∂σ/∂y=X'Y'/τ##

I am not understanding how #X′Y′/τ# is got here.
Any clarification on this would be really helpful.
So sorry about the image quality. The image I uploaded was very good. Don't know how to upload the image with that resolution here. Here is the image I uploaded https://i.stack.imgur.com/APHR9.png

Also, the first image is https://i.stack.imgur.com/cj7YG.png
 

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