High Frequency Printed Circuit Boards: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of using printed circuit boards (PCBs) at high frequencies, particularly focusing on the effects of capacitance and design considerations. Participants explore the implications of capacitance on signal integrity, impedance, and the materials used in PCB construction.

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Main Points Raised

  • JL questions why capacitance makes high frequencies unusable in PCBs, suggesting a need for clarification on the topic.
  • Some participants note that capacitive impedance decreases with increasing frequency, indicating that PCB design must minimize stray capacitance to maintain signal isolation at high frequencies.
  • There is a discussion about how low frequencies do not typically require special design considerations regarding stray capacitance.
  • Some participants explain that larger pads increase capacitance due to their area and proximity to ground planes, which may affect high-frequency performance.
  • One participant mentions that high frequencies can be capacitively coupled between pads, potentially leading to unwanted signal interference.
  • Another participant highlights that the pad capacitance is in parallel with the signal path, which can attenuate the signal due to lower parallel impedance.
  • Transmission line effects at higher frequencies are raised, emphasizing the importance of trace length relative to the signal wavelength.
  • One participant discusses the advantages of using Teflon (PTFE) boards, noting that they reduce capacitance to the back plane and improve efficiency for tuned circuits.
  • It is mentioned that Teflon boards have lower loss and a consistent dielectric constant, which aids in design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between capacitance and frequency in PCB design, with no clear consensus on the implications of capacitance for high-frequency applications. Some participants agree on the need to minimize stray capacitance, while others raise questions about the basic concepts and effects discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between pad size, capacitance, and frequency effects, indicating that assumptions about frequency ranges and design requirements may vary. The discussion also touches on the limitations of materials used in PCB construction and their impact on performance.

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The connection pads on low frequency printed circuit board (PCB) create enough capacitance so as to make it unusable at high frequencies. The back side of the PCB is often solid conductor to provide shielding.

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Can someone explain to me why the capacitance makes it so high frequencies do not function in circuit boards?

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JL
 
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Capacitive impedance has an inverse relationship to frequency. The higher the frequency, the lower the impedance through a given capacitance. Thus, at high frequencies, PCB design needs to minimize stray capacitance to maintain signal isolation.
 
negitron said:
Capacitive impedance has an inverse relationship to frequency. The higher the frequency, the lower the impedance through a given capacitance. Thus, at high frequencies, PCB design needs to minimize stray capacitance to maintain signal isolation.

How are pads low frequencies?
 
Low frequencies, below a few MHz, don't generally require special design considerations with respect to stray capacitance.
 
jeff1evesque said:
How are pads low frequencies?

Not sure I understand the question as stated, but the bigger the pad, the higher the capacitance, because capacitance ratios linearly with area and inversely with spacing (between the pad and the GND plane, for example).
 
berkeman said:
Not sure I understand the question as stated, but the bigger the pad, the higher the capacitance, because capacitance ratios linearly with area and inversely with spacing (between the pad and the GND plane, for example).

I am just trying to understand the basic concepts. That is If the pads have low frequency running, then the capacitance reactance will be higher, indicating greater impedance- more opposition towards the sinusoidal current. But I cannot see how this makes it impossible for high frequencies.
 
What happens is high frequencies can get capacitively coupled from one pad to an adjacent one where you don't want signal getting in.
 
jeff1evesque said:
I am just trying to understand the basic concepts. That is If the pads have low frequency running, then the capacitance reactance will be higher, indicating greater impedance- more opposition towards the sinusoidal current. But I cannot see how this makes it impossible for high frequencies.

The pad capacitance is in parallel with the signal path, not in series with it. So the lower parallel impedance attenuates the signal.

You also have to deal with transmission line effects at higher frequencies, when the signal trace length gets to be some fraction of a wavelength of the frequency of the signal. For digital signals, you deal with the rise and fall times, which typically are in the couple nanosecond range.
 
Capacitance itself doesn't introduce any losses, but shunt capacitance (to the back plane) will cause tuned circuits to require smaller inductors. At UHF and above, these are often just a short piece of track on the board and making them even shorter makes them less efficient.

Using Teflon (PTFE) boards reduces the capacitance to the back plane from any given size track. So tracks on teflon board can be bigger and more efficient for tuned circuits.

If there is less capacitance per square inch, say, for a given impedance line, the tracks can be wider. Having bigger tracks, means that skin effect is reduced too.

Probably more important, though, is that Teflon has lower loss than cheaper boards inherently, and also because it does not absorb water from the air. So, it doesn't heat up and dissipate the power of signals passing along the tracks.

Also, Teflon has a Dielectric Constant that stays fairly constant with frequency. So it is easier to design for.

So, like most things, you get what you pay for.
 

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