High Pass Filter Design: Reduce Interference to 0.05V Peak

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a high pass RC circuit to reduce a 100 Hz interference component from a 4 kHz sine wave signal to a peak voltage of 0.05 V. Participants explore the relationships between the frequencies involved and the necessary component values for the filter design.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem statement, including the output signal characteristics and the need for a high pass filter.
  • Another participant clarifies that in the context of the equations, 'f' represents the frequency of the interference (100 Hz), while 'f0' is the corner frequency determined by the resistor and capacitor values.
  • There is a suggestion that the goal is to suppress the 100 Hz interference from 1 V to 0.05 V, indicating a need for a specific Vo/Vi ratio.
  • A later reply provides a corrected expression for the high pass filter's magnitude and derives that the corner frequency 'f0' should be set to 2 kHz to achieve the desired attenuation.
  • The participant also calculates the time constant T=RC based on the derived corner frequency and suggests finding suitable resistor and capacitor values to realize this time constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to suppress the 100 Hz interference and the role of the corner frequency in the filter design. However, there is no consensus on the specific values for R and C, as the discussion is still in the exploratory phase.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of 'f' and 'f0', and there are unresolved details about the exact component values needed for the filter design.

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1. Homework Statement
''A machineoutputs a 4kHz sine wave signal of amplitude 2 volts peak, plus a 100Hz interference component of amplitude 1 V peak''

Given equation: Vout/Vin = 1/((1+(f0/f^2))^0.5 phase lead = inverse tan (f0/f)

f0 = 1/(2*pi*R*C)I'm given a 4 kilo-ohm resistor and need to choose a capacitor to reduce the interference (100 Hz signal) to 0.05 V peak; I need to design a high pass RC circuit.
2. Homework Equations

given in the Q

3. The Attempt at a Solution I'm not sure what f0 and f actually is. Equations I can find which are similar to this have 'critical frequencies' mentioned.
 
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axe34 said:
I'm not sure what f0 and f actually is. Equations I can find which are similar to this have 'critical frequencies' mentioned.
In the equations given, f would be the frequency of interest that you are trying to suppress, while fo would be the "corner frequency" of the filter which is determined by the choice of R and C for the filter.
 
Hi thanks for the reply. So would f would be 100 Hz? But I'm not sure how to cut the interference to 0.05 V only. Any ideas?
 
axe34 said:
Hi thanks for the reply. So would f would be 100 Hz? But I'm not sure how to cut the interference to 0.05 V only. Any ideas?
Yes, 100 Hz is what you are trying to suppress from 1 V down to 0.05 V. Looks like a Vo/Vi ratio is close at hand ;)
 
Vout/Vin = 1/[(1+(f0/f)^2)]^0.5

Hello - at first, I have corrected the expression for the magnitude of a firdt-order highpass (see above).
Because fo must be chosen so that at f=100 hz the damping factor is 1/0.05=20 we have the expression

[(1+(f0/f)^2)]^0.5=20;
(fo/f)^0.5=399~400.
(fo/f)=20
;
fo=20*f=2kHz.

Hence, the highpass corner frequency is fo=2kHz.
Therefore: T=RC=1/wo=1/(2Pi*fo)=1.6 ms.

Now you have to find suitable values for R and C for realizing the time constant T=RC.

Remark: Sorry - if I gave too many details in my answer. Only now I have realized that I am in the homework section.
 
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