Higher Order Differential Equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a fourth-order differential equation, specifically \(y^{(4)} + y = 0\) with given initial conditions. The original poster expresses difficulty in managing the complexity of the solution, particularly the lengthy derivatives involved in the initial value problem (IVP).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the efficiency of their method due to the extensive number of terms generated in the derivatives. Some participants suggest exploring alternative methods or patterns to simplify the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering suggestions for combining terms and recognizing patterns in the derivatives. There is a focus on ensuring that the solution satisfies the original differential equation and initial conditions, although no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

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The original poster notes that their professor expects to see work shown, which may influence their approach to solving the problem. There is also a light-hearted exchange regarding typographical errors in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



##y^{(4)} + y = 0, y(0)=0, y'(0)=0,y''(0)=-1,y'''(0)=0##

My issue with this equation is not with the steps, I don't believe but the solving of the IVP, the derivatives of my solution end up being close to 32 terms long, and I was wondering if there is any shorter method I could use without having to figure out the close to 50 terms for all 3 derivatives combined.

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(ignore the ##c_3## next to my ##c_4## term, that was a typo)
 
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You can always plug it back in and show with pencil and paper that the solution satisfies the original diff eq and all the initial conditions.
 
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Dr. Courtney said:
You can always plug it back in and show with pencul and panper that the solution satisfies the original diff eq and all the initial conditions.
"pencul and panper"?
 
Sorry about that. Typing too fast with too little coffee.
 
SteamKing said:
"pencul and panper"?
Dr. Courtney is extremely old- "pencul and panper" were used before pencil and paper were invented.
 
RyanTAsher said:
My issue with this equation is not with the steps, I don't believe but the solving of the IVP, the derivatives of my solution end up being close to 32 terms long, and I was wondering if there is any shorter method I could use without having to figure out the close to 50 terms for all 3 derivatives combined.
Combine terms as you go along and look for patterns. For example, consider the terms ##f(x) = c_1 e^{ax}\cos ax + c_2 e^{ax}\sin ax##. First, factor the exponential out so you only have to do the product rule once. When you differentiate, you get
\begin{align*}
f'(x) &= a e^{ax}(c_1 \cos ax + c_2\sin ax) + e^{ax}(-a c_1 \sin ax + a c_2 \cos ax) \\
&= a e^{ax} [(c_1+c_2)\cos ax + (c_2-c_1)\sin ax].
\end{align*} Note that this is essentially the same form you started with, so you can easily write down the second derivative without much effort:
\begin{align*}
f''(x) &= a^2 e^{ax} [((c_1+c_2)+(c_2-c_1)) \cos ax + ((c_2-c_1)-(c_1+c_2))\sin ax] \\
&= a^2 e^{ax} [2c_2 \cos ax - 2c_1 \sin ax] \\
&= 2 a^2 e^{ax} [c_2 \cos ax - c_1 \sin ax]
\end{align*} So in comparison to f(x), differentiating twice produced an overall factor of ##2a^2##, changed ##\sin x## into ##\cos x##, and changed ##\cos x## into ##{-\sin x}##. You should be able to convince yourself that ##f''''(x) = -4a^4 e^{ax}(c_1 \cos ax + c_2 \sin ax)##.
 
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