Highest velocity of a girl running a 60m dash

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The discussion revolves around calculating the highest velocity of a girl running a 60m dash in a total time of 8.6 seconds, with constant acceleration for the first 15m and constant velocity for the remaining distance. Participants explore various approaches to solve the problem, including the use of kinematic equations and graphical methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the total time is 8.6 seconds and sets up equations based on kinematic principles, questioning whether their approach is correct.
  • Another participant suggests expressing the total time in terms of the constant acceleration, ##a##, to find the relationship between distance and time.
  • There is a discussion about focusing on the maximum speed ##v## attained after 15m instead of calculating acceleration, with one participant proposing that the area under a velocity vs. time graph represents the distance covered.
  • Participants express uncertainty about calculating the time for the last 45m and are encouraged to use graphical methods instead.
  • One participant acknowledges difficulty in understanding the graphical approach and is reminded that they can also use equations to represent the graph.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem, with some advocating for a focus on maximum speed while others suggest using acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about how to relate the various variables and equations, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the problem's structure and the relationships between distance, time, and speed.

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Homework Statement
A girl is running 60m on 8.6 s. What is her biggest velocity, if the acceleration is konstant for the first 15m and then the velocity is constant after that?
Relevant Equations
v^2 - v0^2 = 2as
s = v * t
So i know the total time is 8.6 s

t1 + t2 = 8.6s

And from the (v^2 - v0^2 = 2as) i will get that after 15m the velocity which is also the highest velocity
v^2 = 30a

And then after that the velocity will be constant (s = v*t)
45/t2

Now i am stuck here because i have 3 equations but 4 variabels how do i solve this or is this even the right way to think about this problem?
 
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HareJare said:
Homework Statement:: A girl is running 60m on 8.6 s. What is her biggest velocity, if the acceleration is konstant for the first 15m and then the velocity is constant after that?
Relevant Equations:: v^2 - v0^2 = 2as
s = v * t

So i know the total time is 8.6 s

t1 + t2 = 8.6s

And from the (v^2 - v0^2 = 2as) i will get that after 15m the velocity which is also the highest velocity
v^2 = 30a

And then after that the velocity will be constant (s = v*t)
45/t2

Now i am stuck here because i have 3 equations but 4 variabels how do i solve this or is this even the right way to think about this problem?
There is only one unknown, which is the constant acceleration ##a##. Can you express the total time to cover ##60m = 15m + 45m## in terms of ##a##?
 
8.6 = sqrt(30/a) + ?

i don't know how to do the second term
 
HareJare said:
8.6 = sqrt(30/a) + ?

i don't know how to do the second term
You know the distance and you know the speed (in terms of ##a##). Can you use that?
 
PS It might be better to do everything in terms of the speed ##v## attained after ##15m##.

You don't need to find the acceleration at all.
 
PeroK said:
PS It might be better to do everything in terms of the speed ##v## attained after ##15m##.

You don't need to find the acceleration at all.
What do you mean?
 
HareJare said:
What do you mean?
Forget the acceleration and just focus on the maximum speed ##v##.

As an alternative, note that the area under a velocity against time graph is the distance. If you draw a graph, there is an extremely simple geometric solution.
 
PeroK said:
Forget the acceleration and just focus on the maximum speed ##v##.

As an alternative, note that the area under a velocity against time graph is the distance. If you draw a graph, there is an extremely simple geometric solution.
how do i get the time for the last 45m?
 
HareJare said:
how do i get the time for the last 45m?
You don't need to calculate that. Draw a velocity vs time graph.
 
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Okay i did that and now calculate the area?
 
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HareJare said:
Okay i did that and now calculate the area?
You know the length of the base (that's ##T = 8.6s##) and you know the height is ##v##. The area of the big rectangle is ##vT##. Can you relate that to the distances of ##15m## and ##45m## represneted by the triangle and the smaller rectangle?
 
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Okay thank you for your help but i don't understand how to do it this way.
 
  • #13
HareJare said:
Okay thank you for your help but i don't understand how to do it this way.
You can, of course, do the same thing with the equations that represent the graph. Think about average speed for the first phase.
 

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