Historic experimental evidence of Kirchhoff's radiation law

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The discussion centers on the historic experimental evidence leading to Kirchhoff's radiation law, particularly how the spectral distribution curve was derived before the advent of modern spectroscopic devices. Participants explore the historical context and methodologies used in early experiments related to black-body radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Historical
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Fritz expresses curiosity about the historical derivation of the temperature/wavelength curve that influenced Planck's quantization concept, questioning how relative intensities were determined before modern spectrometers.
  • One participant notes that Kirchhoff postulated the wavelength dependence for all black bodies in 1859 without direct measurements, using a theoretical argument involving a hole-based black body and two heat sources.
  • Another participant suggests that actual measurements of black-body spectra were not feasible until the invention of the electrical bolometer in 1880.
  • Fritz highlights the lack of detailed descriptions in existing texts regarding the experimental methods and boundary conditions relevant to the historical context of this physics area.
  • A participant recommends a comprehensive book on the history of quantum theory, though it focuses on developments post-1900.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the historical timeline and the limitations of early experimental techniques, but there is no consensus on the adequacy of existing literature or the specifics of boundary conditions and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Fritz mentions difficulties in obtaining original papers and expresses uncertainty about the boundary conditions and equivalence of different physical models, indicating a need for more detailed historical context.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to historians of science, students of physics, and anyone researching the development of quantum theory and black-body radiation.

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I am curious about the historic experimental evidence that lead to Kirchhoff's radiation law. It is easy to take for granted the ubiquitous temperature/wavelength curve that lead Planck to the quantization concept. But I wondered historically how the curve was derived.
To clarify, we routinely see this spectral distribution in the laboratory with a simple benchtop spectrometer consisting of a dispersion grating and photdiode array. One can plot the relative intensities from the latter and reveal the curve.
But how was this done in the time prior to such a device? I believe that in Kirchhoff's time the only spectral device was the "spectroscope", perhaps with a photographic plate. How were the relative intensities determined? I could not locate the key papers from that time.

thanks
Fritz
 
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Kirchhoff did not measure spectrum, but just postulated (in 1859) the wavelength dependence being the same for all black bodies. The argument used hole-based black body and 2 heat sources (artificial one and sun).
The actual measurements of black-body spectrum would not be possible until invention of electrical bolometer in 1880.
 
How about a book recommendation? The history -- Kirchoff to Boltzmann to Plank to Dirac et all.
 
OK trurle. This makes sense and confirms my expectation.
I find that this whole area of physics, the precursor of quantum mechanics, is very poorly described in most of the texts I have here. It is "glossed over". How the experiment was done, whether in the lab, or from the armchair, is important as certain conditions are probably being assumed which are often not mentioned. Thus the cavity can be a conductor, leading to an electrical field boundary condition of zero at the walls etc. Obtaining the original papers is difficult for me. As anorlunda implies an appropriate book would be of value, perhaps excerpting the original papers and diverging a bit to divulge what the exact formulation of the problem is.
I never quite understood for example what the boundary conditions where, how a heated sphere is equivalent to a box with a cavity in terms of standing waves, why the waves are standing etc. And very important the necessary conclusion that the wavelengths must be quantized to avoid the ultraviolet catastrophie is poorly explained.
Thanks--Fritz
 
Well, if you find everything you've read about this history lacking detail, here's perhaps what you want ;-)):

J. Mehra, H. Rechenberg, The Historical Development of Quantum Theory, 6 vols. , Springer

It coverse however the history from 1900, not before.
 

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