Home mobile air conditioning: Is this a contradiction to thermodynamics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functionality and principles of home portable air conditioning units, particularly whether their operation contradicts thermodynamic principles. Participants explore different types of portable air conditioners, their mechanisms, and their effectiveness in various climates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that portable air conditioners require a method to vent heat outside, suggesting that without this, they would not effectively cool a room.
  • Others clarify that there are two main types of portable coolers: heat pump-based units that vent outside and evaporative coolers that do not.
  • One participant mentions that evaporative coolers work by converting water from liquid to vapor, which is effective in dry conditions but less so in humid climates.
  • Some argue that evaporative coolers are not suitable for humid environments, while others suggest they could be useful during rare heat waves when humidity is lower.
  • Participants discuss the efficiency of different exhaust configurations, with some suggesting that a proper vent hole could improve performance.
  • There are claims that portable air conditioners can effectively lower humidity and that they can work well in challenging living conditions, such as windowless spaces.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of one-pipe systems compared to two-pipe systems, raising questions about thermodynamic efficiency.
  • There is a mention of the broader context of energy efficiency and insulation in homes, with some participants advocating for better insulation solutions over reliance on air conditioning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of different types of portable air conditioners or their suitability for various climates. Multiple competing views remain on the mechanisms and efficiency of these devices.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight limitations regarding the assumptions about humidity and temperature conditions, as well as the effectiveness of different cooling methods in specific environments.

  • #31
hmmm27 said:
Ah, so very large coldside radiator required. (For some reason I previously thought it was in the 1/10atm range, not 1/100th : checked)
And this is a snag. Any self contained unit would have to use air because it involves only an air hose (or two), going outside with no heat exchanger 'outside on the wall'. These portable units are just so practical, compared with a whole system and the best system in most cases is surely to use good insulation, so the heat never gets inside in the first place. But you can't drive home with that in the car and begin using it in the minutes.

This issue will affect many people in Europe a lot more than it ever has so a re-think is necessary for house builders and (lol) the government.
 

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