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The discussion revolves around modeling a logarithmic function for sound fading in music, specifically focusing on transformations of functions to achieve a natural fade-out effect. Participants are tasked with justifying their chosen model and validating it through mathematical reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of logarithmic functions and transformations, questioning the specific formula provided and its components. There are inquiries about the nature of the transformations and how they affect the graph's behavior.

Discussion Status

Some participants express gratitude for hints provided, while others seek clarification on the formulas and their applications. There is an ongoing exploration of different functions and transformations, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants mention constraints regarding the use of transformations and the need to validate their models. There is also a reference to textbook examples that may not align with their current understanding or needs.

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Homework Statement


Composers often use a "fade out" at the end of a song.
Sound Engineers then have to choose a mathematical function (called damp functions) which makes the fade sound natural. The simplest choice is a linear function but, for most people, this function makes the sound fade too quickly at the beginning of the fade out. The most natural sounding fade is a logarithmic function.

Use your knowledge of transformations to find a suitable model of this function. You must justify your solution by stating your initial 'starting' function and then demonstrating and explaining how the function is changed by each of the constant values you introduce and/or change. Modify your model as needed in order to be sure that it is consistent with the problem posed.

Demonstrate and explain clearly a method to validate your model so that you can be sure that it is correct, including domain restrictions
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On the y-axis it goes up in 0.1 which is called the amplitude. The x-axis goes up in 0.5 which is called time. You can just see the line. But from here, i don't know what to do? please help. Any help would be really appreciated.

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All i know is that log limits may apply to changing or making this graph.

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Hint: f(x)=ln(-ax+y)+z

where a,y,z>0 and a,y,z are constants.

Now judge by the intersection points and you will find the solution.

Regards.
 
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That is quite helpful. Thank you. But what formula is that called. I can't see it anywhere in my textbook, and they expect us to know that, to solve that, and what's this + Z, I've never heard of a formula that uses that.
 
Could you possibly tell me, concretely what functions, transformations, operations etc you should use to solve the tasK?

Anyway, I will explain you. by increasing 'z' the amplitude of the graph is increasing, i.e the graph is top shifted (if z>0) or bottom shifted (if z<0).

By increasing 'y' the graph is right shifted (if y>0) and left shifted (if y<0)

[tex]ln[/tex] is [tex]log_e[/tex]
 
We are allowed to use any transformations we want. We just have to find out how that graph was made then by finding that equation, put it in our graphics calculator and then show it to our teacher. Thats all. Its proving harder than thought.
 
there's another example in my book that has the formula of y= A ln (x + B) + c

But the answer they have is ln(x+1)+1. Which seems to be the opposite of my graph or close enough to the one I am looking out. Any more help?
 
Speedy232 said:
there's another example in my book that has the formula of y= A ln (x + B) + c

But the answer they have is ln(x+1)+1. Which seems to be the opposite of my graph or close enough to the one I am looking out. Any more help?

Ok, and can you please give me another screen shot. This picture is very blur and I can't see the graph correctly.

Regards.
 

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