Homogeneous Second Order O.D.E Problem Please help

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The discussion revolves around a second order differential equation related to the electric potential energy of a charged particle between two concentric spheres. The equation is given as rv′′+2v′=0, applicable for the range of radii between r1 and r2.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different forms of potential solutions, including v(r)=rm and v(r)=A+B/r. There are attempts to derive the general solution and discussions about the validity of the derivatives used in the differential equation.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights and corrections regarding the forms of the solution. There is ongoing exploration of how to apply boundary conditions to the general solution, with some expressing confusion about the process. Multiple interpretations of the general solution are being discussed, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes specific conditions for the concentric spheres and their potentials. There is a noted uncertainty regarding the application of these conditions to the derived solutions.

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Homework Statement


The electric potential energy v(r) of a charged particle located between two uniformly charged concentric spheres with radii r1 and r2 satisfies the second order differential equation

rv′′+2v′=0, r1≤r≤r2
where r is the distance of the charged particle from the common centre of the spheres.

(a) Determine the general solution of the differential equation, by trying a solution of the form v(r)=rm, m∈R.

(b) Using your answer to part (a), find the electric potential energy of a charged particle between two concentric spheres with radii r1 = 2 cm and r2 = 20 cm, kept at potentials v1 = 220 Volts and v2 = 130 Volts respectively.

Homework Equations


rv′′+2v′=0

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use v(r)=rm as a solution:
v'(r)=mrm
v''(r)=m2rm
and sub back in:
m2rm+1+2mrm=0
this yields:
m(mr+2)=0, which leads me no where near the solution

Please help
 
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You should rethink what v'(r) and v''(r) are equal to.
 
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vela said:
You should rethink what v'(r) and v''(r) are equal to.
Darn it I took the exponential. I'll rework my solution
 
i found the general solution to be v(r)=A+Be^(-r). then, what's next?
 
blerghh said:
i found the general solution to be v(r)=A+Be^(-r). then, what's next?
Apply these conditions:
i_hate_math said:
two concentric spheres with radii r1 = 2 cm and r2 = 20 cm, kept at potentials v1 = 220 Volts and v2 = 130 Volts respectively.
and you get A=200 and B=120
 
i_hate_math said:
Apply these conditions:

and you get A=200 and B=120
is there any other way to simplify the exponential before applying the conditions?
 
nawhh i just got the answer! thank you!
 
i_hate_math said:
Apply these conditions:

and you get A=200 and B=120
wait howd u get the exponential? the solution i got was v=A/r+B
 
i_hate_math said:
wait howd u get the exponential? the solution i got was v=A/r+B
yeah, i was wrong at first. no exponential. you are right :)
 
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isn't the general solution supposed to be v(r)=A+B/r? because both r^0 and r^-1 satisfy the DE
 
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oops you guys updated... yeah, and after getting v(r)=A+B/r, how do i sub in the conditions... the conditions doesn't make sense to me
 
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crazy too said:
oops you guys updated... yeah, and after getting v(r)=A+B/r, how do i sub in the conditions... the conditions doesn't make sense to me
you will eventually get A=120 and B=200. just sub those conditions into v(r)=A+B/r separately and solve A and B simultaneously
 
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ohhhhh okay, i got the answer! even tho it doesn't make much sense... thank you for your help!
 
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