Horizontal acceleration of a person

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum horizontal acceleration a person can sustain while strapped to a motorized board without falling backwards. It explores the interplay of physics and biological factors, including the effects of acceleration, friction, and muscle strength.

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  • One participant questions the validity of the scenario, suggesting that if acceleration starts slow enough, the person could lean forward to avoid falling, which complicates the calculation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to specify the coefficient of friction between the person's feet and the board, noting that muscle tension could also play a role in preventing a fall.
  • A different perspective introduces the idea of modeling the person and board as a joint system, discussing the moments and forces involved, and how to derive the maximum angle before tipping occurs.
  • One participant suggests that understanding the maximum pushing force a human can withstand before falling over requires knowledge of muscle strength, referencing a paper on isokinetic testing of the ankle as a starting point.

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Participants express differing views on how to approach the problem, with no consensus on the best method to calculate maximum acceleration or the factors that should be considered.

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Limitations include assumptions about muscle strength, the coefficient of friction, and the specific modeling of the human body in relation to the board. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the mathematical steps and conditions necessary for a complete analysis.

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Let's say that an athletic person of average height (1.75 m) and weight (75 kg) is strapped by the feet to a small motorized board. How would one go about calculating the maximum acceleration the person can sustain without falling backwards?

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The question doesn't really work. If the acceleration starts slow enough, they can just lean forward until they are near horizontal and get crushed by their own weight due to the g-force.
 
In addition to post#2, the coefficient of fricion between feet and board must in some way be specified...unless that "curl toes and hang ten".

Ginger: maybe you are thinking about tensing muscles to offset the tipping?? That's a really tough question to ask as it's biological and physics...and could depend as well on the length of their feet and the location of their leg with respect to both ends.
 
If, however you assume foot and the board as a joint (so only rotation), then there is a moment. The axis of rotation is the joint, the distance is the y-coordinate of the center of mass. From Newton's second law:

rxF=rxma => M = mr^2 thetaDoubleDot

How you proceed from this point depends on how you model the problem. You can, for instance, assume that there is a maximum resistance moment from the ground that, when surpassed, will make the object (human) fall.

A more realistic way to model it would be to consider a rectangle with a center of mass. There is a maximum angle after which the rectangle will fall over. You can calculate this angle if you consider a line that originates from the point of rotation (so one corner of the rectangle), and that is perpendicular to your surface. If the center of mass goes beyond this line, the rectangle will fall over.

From Newton's law you have a differential equation of motion for your problem, so you can get the angle as a function of acceleration (angle comes into play from the y-coordinate of the "r" vector).

Depending on the initial conditions, you can derive from that the acceleration that causes you to reach that maximum angle.
 
If what you are asking is how much pushing force a human could take before falling over then you would need to find out the strength of all the relevant muscles. As a starting point here is a paper discussing the testing methods for isokinetic testing of the ankle (disclosure: I haven't read more than the abstract).
 

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