Horizontal Tangents in the Graph of y = 3x + 6sinx

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The discussion revolves around the function y = 3x + 6sinx and whether it has horizontal tangents within the interval 0 ≤ x ≤ 2. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the derivative of the function equals zero to identify potential horizontal tangents.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to find the derivative and set it to zero, leading to the equation 3 + 6(cosx) = 0. Some participants question the next steps and suggest solving for x. Others discuss the implications of using inverse cosine and the periodic nature of the cosine function.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on algebraic manipulation and the geometric interpretation of trigonometric functions. There is a recognition of the need to understand the unit circle and periodicity in finding solutions, though no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the algebraic steps involved and the relevance of trigonometric identities. There is mention of differing expected answers, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Does the graph of the function
y = 3x + 6sinx
have any horizontal tangents in the interval 0 ≤ x ≤ 2 If so, where?

Homework Equations


Derivative rules

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried finding the derivative and setting it equal to zero.
y' = 3 + 6(cosx)
3 + 6(cosx) = 0
but I'm not sure where to go on from here, the book only has 1 example which doesn't clear much up.
also how do i write equations to make them look like some of the other posts I've seen(equation text lookΦ).
 
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You should not be taking Calculus until you are good at algebra!

To solve an equation of the form Ax+ B= 0, first subtract B from both sides: Ax= -B.
Now, divide both sides by A: x= -B/A.

What do you get if you do that to your equation? What should you do now?
 
GustX said:
3 + 6(cosx) = 0
but I'm not sure where to go on from here, the book only has 1 example which doesn't clear much up.
Solve for ##x##.
GustX said:
also how do i write equations to make them look like some of the other posts I've seen(equation text lookΦ).
Use latex, https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You should not be taking Calculus until you are good at algebra!

To solve an equation of the form Ax+ B= 0, first subtract B from both sides: Ax= -B.
Now, divide both sides by A: x= -B/A.

What do you get if you do that to your equation? What should you do now?
lol yea I have tried that as well and got 2.09439
which didn't seem similar
<br /> <br /> 3 +6cos(x) = 0<br />
<br /> x = cos^-1(-1/2)<br />
<br /> x = 2.094395102<br />
but that wasn't which similar to the given answers of my sheet which are
<br /> x = 2pi/3 , x = 4pi/3<br /> I&#039;m not sure how to get to these
 
For which x's is cos(x) equal to ##-\frac{1}{2}##? Think about the unit circle
 
Gianmarco said:
For which x's is cos(x) equal to ##-\frac{1}{2}##? Think about the unit circle
Ah i kinda see so I'm not supposed to use inverse cos, just find what value of x makes it equal to -1/2. So there was no way to solve for it without memory of it.
is there a particular part of math that should be reviewed solve this type of problem, cartesian circle(radians and angles)?
 
The range of the inverse cosine function is ##(0, \pi)##. So solving for x with the inverse function only gives you the solutions within that interval ##(\frac{2\pi}{3}## in this case, try multiplying it out with a calculator). But you know that the cosine function is a periodic function and it goes from 1 to -1 when x goes from 0 to ##\pi## and from -1 back to 1 when x goes from ##\pi## to ##2\pi##. So the equation ##cos(x) = k##, with ##-1 < k < 1##, will always have 2 solutions for x in ##(0, 2\pi)##. To find the second one, just note that ##cos(x) = cos(2\pi - x)##. I'd suggest you to review the geometrical interpretation of sine and cosine on the unit circle, it will help you get an intuition about why do we expect two solutions
 
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GustX said:
lol yea I have tried that as well and got 2.09439
which didn't seem similar
<br /> <br /> 3 +6cos(x) = 0<br />
<br /> x = cos^-1(-1/2)<br />
<br /> x = 2.094395102<br />
but that wasn't which similar to the given answers of my sheet which are
<br /> x = 2pi/3 , x = 4pi/3<br /> I&#039;m not sure how to get to these
<br /> What is 2π/3 expressed as a decimal?
 
Throw that calculator away and learn some mathematics!
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Throw that calculator away and learn some mathematics!
Or at least put it down for a moment - and don't pick it up again until you understand what you're going to calculate and why!
 
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GustX said:
Ah i kinda see so I'm not supposed to use inverse cos, just find what value of x makes it equal to -1/2. So there was no way to solve for it without memory of it.
is there a particular part of math that should be reviewed solve this type of problem, cartesian circle(radians and angles)?
Trigonometry!
Draw an equilateral triangle with each side equal to 1. Each angle will be equal to 60 degrees. The line from one vertex to the opposite side also bisects that angle and the opposite side. So it divides that triangle into two right triangles with acute angles 60 degrees and 30 degrees and "opposite side of length 1/2. So sin(60)= cos(30)= 1/2.
 

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