How Are Heavy Elements Distributed?

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The discussion revolves around the distribution of heavy elements, particularly gold, in newly formed celestial bodies such as Earth. Participants explore how these elements aggregate, their geological formations, and the implications of their properties during planetary formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why gold is found in "veins" alongside other minerals like quartz, suggesting geological processes such as weathering over time.
  • There is speculation about the distribution of gold in relation to its weight and whether it would be found deeper in the Earth's core.
  • One participant suggests that a gold-based star could not exist, prompting questions about the reasons behind this assertion, including the energy dynamics of nuclear fusion.
  • Participants discuss the role of chemistry in the distribution of elements, noting that gold's lower surface concentration is due to its siderophile nature, while uranium's higher concentration is attributed to its lithophile characteristics.
  • There is a mention of how the movement of iron into the Earth's core would have influenced the distribution of gold, leading to a depletion of gold on the surface.
  • One participant draws an analogy with potassium distribution to explain why certain elements are concentrated in specific deposits.
  • The formation of gold veins is linked to the solubility of gold in hot pressurized waters, which cool and precipitate minerals as they rise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the distribution and formation of gold and other heavy elements, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on several points, particularly regarding the existence of gold-based stars and the implications of element distribution in planetary formation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of geological processes and the influence of chemical properties on element distribution. There are references to specific geological phenomena and the need for further exploration of these concepts.

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I'm interested in how heavy elements are distributed after creation and aggregation to form new bodies.
Hello,
I was just pondering how certain heavy elements group together in the new bodies that they form.

Ex. that got me thinking:
So gold would have been created one way thru a supernova right? Say this supernova spread some gold dust all over the cosmos.

1. Why whenever a body such as the Earth is formed thru aggregation does the gold run in "veins" like it does usually? These veins are usually also having the same other deposits with them that are good identifiers to someone that gold is present; like quartz. Why are they together?

2. Why does the gold not spread all over everywhere but run in lines and clumps? I am thinking this is due to its weight and such during aggregation; but then i just wonder why it would not be sunk even deeper near the core of the planet since it is so heavy?

3. Since heavy elements like gold are formed from lighter masses going supernova; could there theoretically be a gold based star go supernova to create an even heavier element?

Thanks,

jeff
 
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jeff davis said:
Summary:: I'm interested in how heavy elements are distributed after creation and aggregation to form new bodies.

1. Why whenever a body such as the Earth is formed thru aggregation does the gold run in "veins" like it does usually? These veins are usually also having the same other deposits with them that are good identifiers to someone that gold is present; like quartz. Why are they together?
Weathering of mountains over eons.
 
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jeff davis said:
Summary:: I'm interested in how heavy elements are distributed after creation and aggregation to form new bodies.

but then i just wonder why it would not be sunk even deeper near the core of the planet since it is so heavy?
Much more gold in Earth's core than the surface I would suspect.

As for 3. , a star made out of predominantly gold would not exist.
 
"Weathering of mountains over eons." by 256Bits

Ahh. This is a painfully obvious answer. Thank you
 
"a star made out of predominantly gold would not exist. " by 256Bits

Why is this?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Given that there is just more material in the core than the surface, this is true for many things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_differentiation is not a bad starting point.
Percentage wise, the core should have greater abundance of heavy elements than light mixed in with the iron.
 
jeff davis said:
"a star made out of predominantly gold would not exist. " by 256Bits

Why is this?
Elements up to iron through nuclear fusion release energy.
Fusion of elements after iron require energy input.
 
256bits said:
Percentage wise

That's the key. :)

Weight is one factor in percentages, but chemistry is also important. Uranium has a higher surface concentration than you would expect from weight because it is a lithophile. Same story with thorium. Gold has a lower concentration because it is a siderophile. Same story with iridium.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
That's the key. :)

Weight is one factor in percentages, but chemistry is also important. Uranium has a higher surface concentration than you would expect from weight because it is a lithophile. Same story with thorium. Gold has a lower concentration because it is a siderophile. Same story with iridium.
Meaning that the iron moving into the centre of the Earth would have taken gold with it, depleting the surface.
Gold in the core would be among the 5% of elements not of iron or nickel.

The surface has been replenished from meteorites to the tune of 0.001 to 0,006 ppm depending upon the source of data. If the chrondites are considered to be average makeup as the planet, and have a gold content of 0.16 ppm, the core would have the majority of the gold of the planet.
 
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256bits said:
Meaning that the iron moving into the centre of the Earth would have taken gold with it, depleting the surface.

Right, and leaving the uranium behind.
 
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jeff davis said:
1. Why whenever a body such as the Earth is formed thru aggregation does the gold run in "veins" like it does usually? These veins are usually also having the same other deposits with them that are good identifiers to someone that gold is present; like quartz. Why are they together?

2. Why does the gold not spread all over everywhere but run in lines and clumps? I am thinking this is due to its weight and such during aggregation; but then i just wonder why it would not be sunk even deeper near the core of the planet since it is so heavy?
Well, consider where potassium is distributed in world (it is much more common, though).
Most of the potassium is spread all over everywhere, in rocks, soils and sea.
Small amounts of potassium are, however, concentrated in potash salt deposits.
Why?
Because when sea water is cut off from sea, in a place with dry climate and without rivers flowing in, after sodium chloride has precipitated, potassium salts remain in bitterns and then precipitate as a separated deposit.

Gold veins in rocks form because gold is modestly soluble in hot pressurized waters. So are other minerals, such as quartz. So as the waters travel upwards and cool, minerals whose solubility drops precipitate out. So does gold. Gold veins are cracks which once fed hot springs.
 
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snorkack said:
Gold veins in rocks form because gold is modestly soluble in hot pressurized waters. So are other minerals, such as quartz. So as the waters travel upwards and cool, minerals whose solubility drops precipitate out. So does gold. Gold veins are cracks which once fed hot springs.
That makes more sense.
I was thinking of placer deposits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placer_deposit
 

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