How are jump discontinuities important when determining the area of a curve?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the importance of jump discontinuities in the context of determining the area under a curve, particularly in calculus. Participants explore concepts related to integration, continuity, and piecewise functions, as well as the implications of discontinuities on the integration process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why functions can only be integrated over continuous intervals and questions the treatment of jump discontinuities in integration.
  • Another participant states that if a function has finitely many jump discontinuities and is equivalent to a continuous function elsewhere, their integrals over the same interval are equal.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether integrating a continuous function that represents the continuous parts of a jump function yields the same result as integrating the jump function itself.
  • One participant acknowledges a mix-up in terminology, clarifying that they meant removable discontinuities but notes that similar principles apply to jump discontinuities.
  • Another participant suggests breaking the problem into segments at points of discontinuity to simplify the integration process, emphasizing that while integration can be done directly, it is often easier to handle continuous parts separately.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the function |x|/x and its classification regarding discontinuities, with one participant asserting it does not represent a jump discontinuity unless defined differently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the treatment of jump discontinuities in integration. While some suggest that breaking functions into continuous parts is beneficial, others question the necessity of this approach and explore different interpretations of discontinuities.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of different types of discontinuities, as well as the conditions under which integration can be performed. There are unresolved questions about the equivalence of integrals for functions with discontinuities and the best methods for handling them.

Terraist
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
Hi

I'm a complete n00b at calculus (first day of the first year) so this question may appear a little...stupid. But I want to hammer into my head every little thing I hear in the lecture hall, so I might as well give it a go.

Today the professor explained how jump discontinuities must be taken into consideration when determining the area under the curve using the limit of #of rectangles definition. I did not really understand, or at least as well as I would have liked. Basically I want to know why a function can be integrated only on a continuous interval, and not on an interval with a discontinuity in it.

Also, a function with a jump discontinuity is usually a piecewise defined function. Actually I think this isn't always so, as is the case with (x/|x|). Is it true that a piecewise defined function can't be integrated in one step, and each part has to be analyzed separately?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
If g is continuous on [a,b], f has only finitely many jump discontinuities on [a,b], and f(x)=g(x) for all x where f is continuous, then the integral of g from a to b is equal to the integral of f from a to b. Or ...

\int_a^bg = \int_a^bf
 
I'm sorry, I don't really follow. Are you saying that if I find a continuous function equivalent to the continuous parts of the jump function, and integrate it on [a,b], it would equal the integral of the jump function on that same interval? Could you perhaps provide a pictorial representation?
 
Sorry! I got my terms mixed up! I meant removable discontinuity in my post. However, there is a similar result for jump discontinuities. I'll work on posting it in the next few hours when I find the time. Again, sorry for the confusion.
 
The best thing to do with jump discontinuities is to break the problem into "pieces" with the boundary at the points of discontinuity. Then you have several "regular" areas and the entire area is the sum of those.

First, I would say that your example of |x|/x is not an example of a jump discontinuity since the value is not defined at x= 0. If you were, for example to define f(x)= x/|x| for x not 0, f(x)= a for x= 0, then there is, indeed a jump discontinuity at x= 0. But now the function can be written as a piecwise continuous function- f(x)= 1 for x> 0, f(0)= a, f(x)= -1 for x< 0.

Also, I would not say that can't be integrated directly, only that it is much easier, using the usual techniques of integration, to divide it into "continuous parts". And I suspect that was what your teacher was trying to say. Integration is done pretty much by "remembering" anti-derivatives- and we typically learn continuous functions because those are easiest.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
5K
Replies
4
Views
16K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K