How Are Statistical Tables Created?

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The discussion revolves around the creation of statistical tables, specifically focusing on the meaning of fixed mean and standard deviation values of 0 and 1 in the context of experimental data. Participants explore how these values relate to actual experimental measurements and the implications for statistical inference.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the statement that the mean and standard deviation are fixed at 0 and 1, questioning how these relate to actual experimental values.
  • Another participant explains that the mean of the measurements is represented as ##\bar x## and the standard deviation as ##\sqrt{\;\overline {(x-\bar x)^2}}##, suggesting a transformation to standardize the data.
  • A question is raised about whether 0 and 1 represent both the means and standard deviations or just the standard deviations.
  • There is a suggestion to clarify the original statement by adding "respectively" to indicate which value corresponds to the mean and which to the standard deviation.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the sample mean, variance, and the derivation of the t-distribution, including how to estimate the standard deviation and construct confidence intervals for the mean.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the fixed values of mean and standard deviation, indicating some confusion. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these values, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some participants reference the need for clarity in the definitions of mean and standard deviation in the context of statistical tables, and the implications of using sample estimates versus population parameters are noted but not fully resolved.

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All,

https://jimgrange.wordpress.com/2015/12/05/statistics-tables-where-do-the-numbers-come-from/

This is a great post -- but I'm a little foggy on the sentence that says "...mean and standard deviation for each condition is fixed at 0 and 1." Can someone explain this in a slightly different way? How do these values relate to the actual experimental values (which would be able to take on an infinite number of values)?

Many, many thanks.
 
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JFS321 said:
How do these values relate to the actual experimental values
That's rather simple: instead of zero, the average of he measurements is ##\bar x## and instead of 1 the standard deviation is ##\sqrt{\;\overline {(x-\bar x)^2}} ##
So a shift over ##-\bar x## and a stretch by a factor ##1/\sqrt{\;\overline {(x-\bar x)^2}} ## give you the standard tabulated function.##\bar y ## is short for 'the average of ##y##'
 
0 and 1 represents the means AND the standard deviations, or just the standard deviations?
 
JFS321 said:
"...mean and standard deviation for each condition is fixed at 0 and 1."
Just add the word "respectively" to the end of the sentence. Does that help?
 
JFS321 said:
All,

https://jimgrange.wordpress.com/2015/12/05/statistics-tables-where-do-the-numbers-come-from/

This is a great post -- but I'm a little foggy on the sentence that says "...mean and standard deviation for each condition is fixed at 0 and 1." Can someone explain this in a slightly different way? How do these values relate to the actual experimental values (which would be able to take on an infinite number of values)?

Many, many thanks.

If you have a sample ##X_1, X_2, \ldots, X_n## of independent normal random variables, all with the same (unknown) mean ##\mu## and variance ##\sigma^2##, the sample mean
$$\bar{X} = \frac{1}{n} (X_1 + X_2 + \cdots + X_n)$$
has mean ##\mu## and variance ##\sigma^2/n##, or standard deviation ##\sigma/\sqrt{n}##. Thus, the random variable
$$ Z = \frac{\bar{X} - \mu}{\sigma/\sqrt{n}} \hspace{2cm}(1)$$
is a standard normal random variable, with mean 0 and variance 1. However, we do not know ##\mu## or ##\sigma.## We can estimate ##\sigma## using the sample standard-deviation ##s_n,## where
$$s_n = \sqrt{ \frac{1}{n-1} \sum_{i=1}^n (X_i - \bar{X})^2 } \hspace{2cm}(2)$$
If we substitute ##s_n## from (2) in place of ##\sigma## in (1) we obtain a new random variable
$$T_{n-1} = \frac{\bar{X} - \mu}{s_n / \sqrt{n}} \hspace{2cm}(3) $$
Here, we label ##T## with the index ##n-1## because the variance estimate ##s## in (2) has essentially used ##n-1## independent pieces of data to calculate ##s_n##. We say that ##n-1## is the number of "degrees of freedom".

This new random variable ##T_{n-1}## is not normally distributed anymore, but it has a distribution that can be calculated explicitly and --- as demonstrated in your cited link --- can be approximated through Monte-Carlo simulation methods.

The random variable ##T_{n-1}## has a symmetric distribution, so in a table it is enough to give values of ##t_\alpha(n-1)## that yield
$$P(T_{n-1} > t_\alpha(n-1)) = \alpha,$$
and typical tables do this for ##\alpha =0.10, 0.05, 0.02, 0.01## and maybe some others. Modern software such as EXCEL or free on-line sites such as Wolfram Alpha can give you values of ##t_\alpha(n-1)## for any specified ##n## and ##\alpha.##

You may notice that in (3) we still do not know ##\mu##, but that is OK: we use our t-table to make inferences about plausible values of ##\mu##. The reason we can do this is because we can re-write (3) as
$$\bar{X} - \mu = (s_n/\sqrt{n})\, T_{N-1} \Longrightarrow \mu = \bar{X} - (s_n/\sqrt{n})\, T_{n-1} \hspace{1cm}(4)$$
The probability that ##T_{n-1}## lies between ##-t_\alpha(n-1)## and ##+t_\alpha(n-1)## is ##1 - 2 \alpha##, so we can use (4) to construct a ##1-2\alpha## confidence interval for ##\mu## (meaning an interval that will contain the true value of ##\mu## in ##(1-2\alpha) \times 100 \%## of the cases.
 
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