How can gravity be greater than the centripetal force?

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Gravity can exceed centripetal force when a car is at the top of a circular path, leading to a situation where the sum of forces, including weight and normal force, must equal the required centripetal force for circular motion. If the weight is greater than the centripetal force, the car will not maintain its circular trajectory and may detach from the track. The confusion arises from diagrams that often misrepresent the relationship between normal force and centripetal force. At the top of the circle, the normal force and weight together must equal the centripetal force for the car to continue in a circular motion. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for analyzing motion in circular paths.
Naser Tay
So I saw this in my physics textbook and according to the highlighted sentence, it is possible for the weight to be greater than the centripetal force when the car is at the top of the circle. But how is this possible when the weight itself is PART of the centripetal force when the car is at the top?
 

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Naser Tay said:
But how is this possible when the weight itself is PART of the centripetal force when the car is at the top?
The weight is not part of the centripetal force. I don't really like the diagram because it shows normal force instead of centripetal force. Normal force is the sum of centripetal force and weight, so why not just show the two components separately? It looks confusing to me.
 
Naser Tay said:
So I saw this in my physics textbook and according to the highlighted sentence, it is possible for the weight to be greater than the centripetal force when the car is at the top of the circle. But how is this possible when the weight itself is PART of the centripetal force when the car is at the top?
Centripetal force is just some value the sum of all actual forces must have in order to make something go in circles.
These forces here are the weight and the reaction (normal) force. They can be lower or higher than the centripetal force, but only if they together are exactly equal to it will the car follow a circular path.
So, if weight at the top is larger than the required value of centripetal force, then so is the sum of weight and reaction force, and the car will follow a different trajectory than circular (=it will detach from the track and fall).

Once again, the sum of all forces being equal to centripetal force is the condition for circular motion. If these forces don't meet this condition, then there's no circular motion.

russ_watters said:
Normal force is the sum of centripetal force and weight
Is it? At the top you'd have ##W+F_c=R_t##. At the Bottom you'd have ##W-F_c=R_b## And yet, ##R_t<R_b##.
 
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