How can i control magnet? on\off, base magnet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around controlling two magnets in a system where one magnet is positioned above another, with water in between. Participants explore methods to turn the magnets on and off to facilitate movement of the water and the magnets themselves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a setup involving a cylinder with a magnet on top and a free magnet plus water inside, seeking to control the magnets to push water upwards and then return to the initial position.
  • Another participant suggests using an on/off switch in the circuit to control the magnets, asking for more details about the desired operation and configuration.
  • There is a proposal to use a mechanical arrangement that breaks the circuit once the magnet moves past a certain point, allowing for automatic switching.
  • One participant mentions the concept of magnetic bases, which can turn an external magnetic field on and off, questioning if that would be applicable to the setup.
  • Another suggestion is to use a ferrous metal piston instead of a magnet to avoid sticking issues when the base magnet is turned off, along with considerations for the orientation of the piston magnet.
  • A participant proposes placing wood between the piston and the base magnet to prevent sticking when the magnet is off, and suggests making the piston rectangular to maintain its orientation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on a specific method to control the magnets or the best configuration for the system. Multiple competing views and approaches remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specific details regarding the setup and operation, indicating that the effectiveness of proposed solutions may depend on these factors. There are unresolved assumptions about the configuration and desired outcomes.

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For certain system i have to control two magnets , to catch up when they are " on " , and the opposite , how i can do that ??
 
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That's a little vague. Can you provide details?

The details of how you would turn them on and off are usually very dependent on the configuration of your device.

What you do mean "catch up"?
 
DaveC426913 said:
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thanks for replying first of all , well , i have to magnets , and between them i have water , when i turn on the magnet the attract to each other and push the water , after that i have to release them ,and get back to the first position , so i need to control them , i heard of something called base magnetic m any other idea ? Thanks
 
If you want to turn a magnet on and off, then you put an on/off switch in the circuit. Without knowing anything else about your setup, there is no way to answer your question any more intelligently.

Are you looking for a way that turns the magnets on and off automatically in a cycle? Under what circumstances do you want them to switch? Are you looking for a way to have them automatically switch off once they reach a certain position, you could have a simple arrangement where the circuit is broken once the magnet moves past a certain point. It could return using a spring, or even a ramp.

But really, I'm just guessing here. You must provide details about what you want your device to do, and how it's configured.

sarizr said:
i heard of something called base magnetic m
I am unable to parse that phrase. It doesn't even have a noun.
 
i thing your guess was right , i needed to use the magnetis once as a usal metal and once as magnet , so to of them can get attracted to each other , again my setup : i have an Cylinder , on the top there is a magnet , and in the Cylinder there is a free magnet + water, by turning ON the up magnet , the free magnet will push the water up (towards the upper magnet), after that i want to realease the magnet so i can do this action again and again , to do so i have to control the magnets , i hope i was much clearer !
 
sarizr said:
i thing your guess was right , i needed to use the magnetis once as a usal metal and once as magnet , so to of them can get attracted to each other , again my setup : i have an Cylinder , on the top there is a magnet , and in the Cylinder there is a free magnet + water, by turning ON the up magnet , the free magnet will push the water up (towards the upper magnet), after that i want to realease the magnet so i can do this action again and again , to do so i have to control the magnets , i hope i was much clearer !

Have a look at how Magnetic Bases work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_base

They are mechanically actuated, and allow you to turn an external magnetic field on an off. Would some variation of that work for you?

Or are you going to use an electromagnet? That's easy to turn on and off with a switch, as Dave has said.
 
BTW, you probably just want to use a ferrous metal piston in the cylinder, instead of another magnet. Otherwise the piston magnet will stay stuck to the top Base Magnet material when the Base Magnet is turned off.

Unless you make the piston expose both the N & S poles of its magnet on its top, and you reverse the Base Magnet's polarization to repel the piston magnet. In that case, you have to have some way to keep the piston magnet oriented the same way, so it is not free to spin in the cylinder. Maybe make it rectangular?
 
Well a piston may be a good idea , and i can put a wood between the piston and the base magnet , so when i turn it off they won't stuck ! , yeah it may be rectangular , thanks ma.
 

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