How can I determine the center of mass of a vehicle?

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The discussion focuses on determining the center of mass (COM) of a vehicle using various methods. The primary approach involves calculating the mass and positions of major components and using the reactions at the tires to find the COM. Participants suggest tipping the vehicle to measure the height of the COM and emphasize the importance of understanding weight distribution across the tires. The conversation highlights the necessity of using a weighing platform to obtain accurate readings of tire reactions, which are crucial for calculating the COM.

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  • Understanding of static equilibrium and forces in mechanics
  • Familiarity with Free Body Diagrams (FBD)
  • Knowledge of weight distribution principles
  • Experience with measuring equipment, specifically vehicle weighing platforms
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  • #61
ummmmmm that's the prob that friction exists and we have 2 b as exact as possible so v have 2 consider friction
 
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  • #62
I still don't see any point in taking friction. Secondly, I don't have the wildest idea that how will we calculate friction in our case( I am even confused that while the car is in horizontal position with no external horizontal force acting over the platform the friction is acting or not !). Its definitely not limiting. Thirdly, we have to give a 'standard procedure'. With friction involved it won't remain standard as we would need to know the different values of \mu for different contacting surfaces (tyres and platforms).
 
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  • #63
tiny-tim said:
if the higher pair of tyres is supported on a sloping surface, then the friction will spoil the equations.

So it is important that the higher pair of tyres (or its axle) be supported on a raised horizontal surface. :smile:

This situation can also be simulated by hooking the front end of the car (from bumper or something) and then lifting.
 
  • #64
Altairs said:
This situation can also be simulated by hooking the front end of the car (from bumper or something) and then lifting.

Hi Altairs! :smile:

Yes … provided you ensure that the rope is vertical once the car is raised!

Though there is a practical problem … I don't think there's anything at the front of a car that's strong enough not to be damaged. :cry:
 
  • #65
tiny-tim said:
Though there is a practical problem … I don't think there's anything at the front of a car that's strong enough not to be damaged. :cry:

Something can be attached as an extension to the front side and then the it can be hooked.
 
  • #66
i don't get how ur trying 2 remove friction...
 
  • #67
How are we supposed to calculate the friction present :confused: ?
 
  • #68
Altairs said:
How are we supposed to calculate the friction present :confused: ?

By fixing it so that the friction is zero, which means supporting the wheels on horizontal surfaces, or the towbar on a vertical rope. :smile:
 
  • #69
tiny-tim said:
By fixing it so that the friction is zero, which means supporting the wheels on horizontal surfaces, or the towbar on a vertical rope.

That is exactly what I thought (post 62).

4F_{s} = 0 (fixed and no external forces present horizontally)
 
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  • #70
Altairs said:
That is exactly what I thought (post 62).

4F_{s} = 0 (fixed and no external forces present horizontally)

Hi Altairs! :smile:

(btw, don't send a Visitor Message if it's important, since there's no notification of Visitor Messages, and I might not see it for days. Send PM if you think I've missed a post.)

Yes … ignore friction …

… your post #62, replying to Whatevr, was completely right (which is why I didn't comment on it).
 
  • #71
ok so can u tell me how do we calculate the z-distance i.e. the height co-ordinate. we can get both the horizontal distances but wat abt the vertical one??
 

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