How can I determine the instant the block overcomes static friction?

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To determine when the block overcomes static friction, the force exerted by the spring must exceed the static friction force, which is calculated as μs mb g. The equation derived indicates that the elastic force (Fs) must be greater than this frictional force for the block to move. The discussion emphasizes the importance of using both energy and force balance equations to analyze the system's dynamics. The participants clarify that the displacement of the spring at the moment the block starts moving is crucial, and they suggest using work-energy principles to find this displacement. Ultimately, the conversation revolves around understanding the conditions under which the block transitions from rest to motion.
  • #51
So finish the problem please. The proof is in the solution.
 
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  • #52
hutchphd said:
So finish the problem please. The proof is in the solution.

##\frac 1 2## ##k x_{max}^2## + ##\frac 1 2## ##I_c ω^2## + ##\frac 1 2## ##m_s ω^2 R^2## = ## F x_{max}##;

; ##ω^2(m_s R^2 + I_c)## + ##k x_{max}^2## = ##2F x_{max}##;

; ##ω^2## = ##\frac {2F x_{max} - k x_{max}^2} {m_s R^2+ \frac 2 5 m_s R^2}## => ##ω## = ##\sqrt {\frac {2F x_{max} - k x_{max}^2} { \frac 7 5 m_s R^2}}## = ##\sqrt {\frac {2~20~0.0491 - 200~(0.0491)^2} { \frac {21} 5 (0.3)^2}}## ##≈ 1,252~rad/s##

Then I was wondering that to find the remaning informations of the sphere (friction force on sphere ##:= f_s## and acceleration of center of mass ##:= a_c##) I could just use the force balance equation of the sphere:
$$\begin{cases}
F + f_s - F_s = m_s a_c \\
N_s = m_s g \\
τ_{fs} = I_c α
\end{cases}$$
=> ##f_s = \frac {I_c α} R## and ## a_c = \frac {F + f_s - F_s} {m_s}## , since I know that ##α = \frac {a_c} R## I have 2 equations and 2 unknowns.

Edit: adjusted moment of inertia of the sphere
 
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  • #53
Thermofox said:
##\frac 1 2 m_s R^2##
It's a sphere, presumably solid, not a cylinder.
Thermofox said:
Then I was wondering that to find the remaning informations of the sphere (friction force on sphere ##:= f_s## and acceleration of center of mass ##:= a_c##) I could just use the force balance equation of the sphere:
$$F + f_s - F_s = m_s a_c $$
Which direction are you taking as positive for ##f_s##?
##F_s## is not constant.
 
  • #54
haruspex said:
It's a sphere, presumably solid, not a cylinder.

Which direction are you taking as positive for ##f_s##?
##F_s## is not constant.
Yeah I didn't think it through, I've always done problems with cylinders so in my mind the sphere transformed into a cylinder.
##f_s## has the same direction of ##F##, so I'm considering the right direction as positive
I should've said that I'm finding this two values the moment the block starts moving, so that I can use ##F_{s,max}## which is constant
 
  • #55
Thermofox said:
Yeah I didn't think it through, I've always done problems with cylinders so in my mind the sphere transformed into a cylinder.
##f_s## has the same direction of ##F##, so I'm considering the right direction as positive
I should've said that I'm finding this two values the moment the block starts moving, so that I can use ##F_{s,max}## which is constant
Ok. There is another equation relating ##f_s## and ##a_c##.
 
  • #56
haruspex said:
Ok. There is another equation relating ##f_s## and ##a_c##.
But I don't need it, I think.
##\begin{cases}
f_s = \frac {I_c a_c} {R^2} \\
a_c = \frac {F + f_s - F_s} {m_s}
\end{cases}##
If I substitute ##f_s ## or ##a_c## into the other equation don't I get that value?
 
  • #57
Thermofox said:
But I don't need it, I think.
##f_s = \frac {I_c a_c} {R^2} ##
That's the one.
 
  • #58
haruspex said:
That's the one.
Ok, so am I all good?
 
  • #59
Thermofox said:
Ok, so am I all good?
Yes.
 
  • #60
haruspex said:
Yes.
Thanks for helping!
 
  • #61
Thanks, well done.
 
  • #62
Thermofox said:
##\sqrt {\frac {2~20~0.0491 - 200~(0.0491)^2} { \frac {21} 5 (0.3)^2}}## ##≈ 1,252~rad/s##
Check the evaluation. (Maybe you already caught this.)
 
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