How can I determine the rotation of basis vectors in non-Euclidean space?

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This discussion focuses on determining the rotation of basis vectors in a 3D non-Euclidean space defined by the metric \( ds^2= -r^a dt^2 + r^b dr^2 + r^2 dy^2 \). The user constructs an orthonormal frame using the Gram-Schmidt procedure, starting with a fixed vector \( e_0 = A \partial_t + B \partial_r + C \partial_y \). The challenge lies in rotating the derived vectors \( e_1 \) and \( e_2 \) such that \( e_1 \) has no \( y \) component, leading to the equation \( \tan{\theta} = -\frac{(e_1)^y}{(e_2)^y} \) for the angle of rotation. The user seeks to express \( \sin{\theta} \) and \( \cos{\theta} \) in terms of this ratio to complete the transformation.

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Hi,

I have a 3d space with metric ds^2= -r^a dt^2 + r^bdr^2 +r^2 dy^2 and I need to construct an orthonormal frame.

The first of these three basis vectors is fixed, let's say as e_0=A \partial_t + B \partial_r + C \partial_y

To find the other two I set v_1=\partial_t, v_2=\partial_r and then apply the Gram-Schmidt procedure. Ultimately I end up with

e_1=D \partial_t + E \partial_r + F \partial_y and e_2=G \partial_t + H \partial_r + J \partial_y

Since I have exact (albeit rather lengthy and complicated expressions) for A,B,C in terms of variables such as energy and momenta, the Gram-Schmidt procedure does give me expressions for all the other constants (although they are in terms of energy and momenta as well - importantly, they are not numbers!).

Now, I am trying to compare my result to the result in the literature where they explicitly construct such a basis with e_1 only pointing in the t and r directions. Since e_0 is fixed and I can't alter it at all, this is really a rotation of the other two orthonormal basis vectors i.e. I want to rotate e_1,e_2 such that e_1 no longer has a y component.

I tried to do this by multiplying as follows:
\begin{pvector} e'_1 \\ e'_2 \end{pvector} = \begin{array} \cos{\theta} & \sin{\theta} \\ -\sin{\theta} & \cos{\theta} \end{array} \begin{pvector} e_1 \\ e_2 \end{pvector}

(Does this even hold when we are no longer in Euclidean space?)

Imposing (e'_1)^y=0 (I use this notation to denote the y component), I can read off the following equation

0=\cos{\theta} (e_1)^y + \sin{\theta} (e_2)^y \Rightarrow \tan{\theta}=-\frac{(e_1)^y}{(e_2)^y}

However, this gives me an expression for \theta=\tan^{-1}{(-\frac{(e_1)^y}{(e_2)^y})}. This will be some ratio of the energy and momenta and not an actual number. So how can I use it to determine \sin{\theta} and \cos{\theta} which I will need in order to work out how the ohther components of e'_1,e'_2 look like?

Thanks very much for your help..
 
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latentcorpse said:
(Does this even hold when we are no longer in Euclidean space?)


One reason to introduce frame fields is that the Euclidean rotations act naturally on them.

Imposing (e'_1)^y=0 (I use this notation to denote the y component), I can read off the following equation

0=\cos{\theta} (e_1)^y + \sin{\theta} (e_2)^y \Rightarrow \tan{\theta}=-\frac{(e_1)^y}{(e_2)^y}

However, this gives me an expression for \theta=\tan^{-1}{(-\frac{(e_1)^y}{(e_2)^y})}. This will be some ratio of the energy and momenta and not an actual number. So how can I use it to determine \sin{\theta} and \cos{\theta} which I will need in order to work out how the ohther components of e'_1,e'_2 look like?

There are elementary trig identities like

$$ 1 + \tan^2\theta = \frac{1}{\cos^2\theta}$$

that you can use to express ##\sin## and ##\cos## in terms of ##\tan##.
 

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