How can I differentiate ln(x) correctly?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the natural logarithm function, specifically ln(x). Participants are exploring the correct approach to differentiate this function and its implications in integration.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate ln(x) through integration by substituting u = logex and seeks to find du/dx. Other participants suggest using implicit differentiation and inverting relationships to find dy/dx.

Discussion Status

Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, but there appears to be confusion about the correct application of the derivative of ln(x). Multiple interpretations of the differentiation process are being explored, with participants expressing varying levels of understanding.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a noted struggle with integrating the equation after differentiation, indicating potential gaps in understanding the relationship between differentiation and integration.

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Homework Statement



I am unsure how to differentiate ln(x).

Homework Equations



[tex]\int[/tex] dx/ (x logex)

The Attempt at a Solution



I let u = logex

So it became:
[tex]\int[/tex] x-1u-1dx

To integrate I now need to find du/dx... which means differentiate ln(x). How does this work out?
 
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if y=ln(x) then, x=ey

find dx/dy. Invert to get dy/dx and then figure out what eln[f(x)] works out to be.
 
Thanks so much!
 
Thanks but now I need help on the rest of the question! I'm really stuck. As, when I change it to integral f(x) du, the differentiated ln(x) does not cancel anything out... Does anyone know how to integrate this equation?

[tex]\int[/tex] x-1u-1du/e^u
Shaybay92 said:

Homework Statement



I am unsure how to differentiate ln(x).

Homework Equations



[tex]\int[/tex] dx/ (x logex)

The Attempt at a Solution



I let u = logex

So it became:
[tex]\int[/tex] x-1u-1dx

To integrate I now need to find du/dx... which means differentiate ln(x). How does this work out?
 
Nothing "cancels" because you're not differentiating log(x) correctly. I don't really know how you can encounter these kind of problems without ever having seen the derivative of log(x), but this is how it works.

[tex] y=\log x \Rightarrow x=e^y, \;\;<br /> \frac{dx}{dx}=\frac{d e^y}{dx}=e^y \frac{dy}{dx}=1 \Rightarrow \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{e^y} \Rightarrow \frac{d log x}{dx}=\frac{1}{x}[/tex]
 

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