How can I find the norm of X in terms of a and b when X is orthogonal to (-a,b)?

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The problem involves finding the norm of a vector X in terms of variables a and b, given that X is orthogonal to the vector (-a, b) and the projection of X onto (a, b) equals (a, b). The context is within linear algebra, specifically dealing with vector projections and orthogonality.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the geometric interpretation of the problem, with one participant attempting to visualize the vectors on a Cartesian plane. Another suggests formulating a system of equations based on the properties of the vectors involved. There is also a focus on understanding the mathematical implications of orthogonality and projections.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on setting up a system of equations to find the components of vector X. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the components of X and the given vectors, with no consensus reached yet on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a noted confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the projection and orthogonality conditions.

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Homework Statement


I'm stuck on this review problem for our final:

The projection of X onto (a,b) = (a,b)
X is orthogonal to (-a,b)
Describe the norm of X in terms of a and b.

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew everything out on a Cartesian system, with the vector X being perpendicular to (-a,b) and then draw the projection of (a,b). I saw that since X is orthogonal to (a,b) it would have a slope of a/b and then attempted to use (y-y1)=m(x-x1) but that failed.
I really have no idea how to solve this and would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks
 
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Forget about writing down an equation of the line that is parallel to [itex]\vec{x}[/itex].

Instead let [itex]\vec{x}=(x_1,x_2)[/itex]. Your goal is to write down a 2 by 2 system of equations in [itex]x_1[/itex] and [itex]x_2[/itex] with coefficients in terms of [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]b[/itex].

himynameismar said:
The projection of X onto (a,b) = (a,b)

And what does that mean, mathematically? This will give you one of the 2 equations that you need.

X is orthogonal to (-a,b)

Same question: What does that mean, mathematically? This will give you the other of the 2 equations that you need.

Once you have a 2 by 2 system of equations for the components of [itex]\vec{x}[/itex], you can compute its norm.
 
Tom Mattson said:
Forget about writing down an equation of the line that is parallel to [itex]\vec{x}[/itex].

Instead let [itex]\vec{x}=(x_1,x_2)[/itex]. Your goal is to write down a 2 by 2 system of equations in [itex]x_1[/itex] and [itex]x_2[/itex] with coefficients in terms of [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]b[/itex].



And what does that mean, mathematically? This will give you one of the 2 equations that you need.

Using the projection formula I get [(ax1+bx2)/(a^2+b^2)]*(a,b)=(a,b) so therefore x1=a and x2=b so you get 1*(a,b)=(a,b)


Same question: What does that mean, mathematically? This will give you the other of the 2 equations that you need.

Here I get -ax1+bx2=0 which I rearrange to bx2+ax1

Once you have a 2 by 2 system of equations for the components of [itex]\vec{x}[/itex], you can compute its norm.

Then I get X=SqRt(a^2+b^2) but I don't think this is right.
Can anyone point out where I'm making an error?
 
himynameismar said:
Using the projection formula I get [(ax1+bx2)/(a^2+b^2)]*(a,b)=(a,b)

Yes.

so therefore x1=a and x2=b so you get 1*(a,b)=(a,b)

No. You have to find the solution that satisfies both equations. The solution you wrote down only satisfies one of them.

Here I get -ax1+bx2=0 which I rearrange to bx2+ax1

You mean [itex]bx_2=ax_1[/itex], which is correct. Now solve that equation for either [itex]x_1[/itex] or [itex]x_2[/itex] (your choice), and plug the result into the other equation.
 

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