How can I import a hysteresis material's loop into Ansoft Maxwell?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of importing a hysteresis material's loop into Ansoft Maxwell, focusing on the material library's capabilities and limitations. Participants explore methods for defining B-H curves and the implications for simulation accuracy in magnetostatic applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of adding a material in Ansoft Maxwell, suggesting the selection of "nonlinear" for relative permeability and the use of B-H curve points.
  • Another participant mentions the option to select "anisotropic" to define B-H loops in three directions, indicating a more complex approach.
  • A participant using version 16.0.0 reports difficulties with inputting B-H curve points, referencing an error message.
  • One participant asserts that only a quarter of the B-H curve can be used, specifically the positive quadrant, and that Maxwell accepts only a single B-H curve.
  • Another participant expresses frustration over the inability to import a full B-H curve, questioning how motor designs can accommodate hysteresis materials.
  • It is suggested that using average values for the B-H curve is a common practice in simulations.
  • A participant notes that most magnetostatic simulators typically solve linear material models, highlighting the efficiency of linear simulations compared to those that include hysteresis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of importing a full B-H curve, with some asserting that only a single curve can be used while others question the implications for motor design. The discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to handle hysteresis materials in simulations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the specific version of Ansoft Maxwell being used, potential differences in features across versions, and the constraints of the software regarding B-H curve input.

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hi my dear friends

i face with a problem in ansoft maxwell;

i want to import a hysteresis material's loop into maxwell's material s libraray

but i cant!:(

is there anyone who can help me?

with the best wishes:)

pedro
 
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In material library click "add material". Now you can define parameters of your new material. Select "nonlinear" instead of "simple" for relative permeability and then left-click on newly appeared button "B-H curve". Add B-H points defining curve here.
Another approach (when you need to define B-H loops in all 3 directions x,y,z) is to select "anisotropic" instead of "nonlinear" in first step. Then you can select "nonlinear" for every axis (and three separate B-H curves).

One more thing. This feature has evolved in maxwell, so it may not be avaible in your version for some solvers or may be working a little differently (I am using v.16.0.0).
 
i use v16.0.0
AND i do what you say
but its not accept a b-h curve points and says "
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THANKS A LOT
 
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Hmm.. you want to input full B-H curve ? No chance. Use only one quarter of characteristic (+ H / + B) and average values (maxwell will accept only single B-H curve).
 
realy??!

no way to import full b-h curve?

so how a motor can be designed with hysteresis material...:(:(its too bad

thank you for cooperation
 
It can be done with average values (single curve for +H/+B). Thats how it's done in most cases.
 
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Most magnetostatic simulators solve linear material models only. Yes, it sucks but you can do surprisingly well by using a linear simulation and simply watching out for fields that approach within 80% of the saturation field. The simulations for linear are radically faster than those that include hysteresis (which is both nonlinear AND time-dependent).
 
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