How Can I Integrate 1/sqrt(4x-x^2) in My Homework?

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The original poster is seeking assistance with the integration of the function 1/sqrt(4x-x^2). The problem falls within the subject area of calculus, specifically focusing on integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method of completing the square as a potential approach to simplify the integral. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the steps involved and seeks clarification on terminology and methods related to radicals. There are attempts to manipulate the expression into a more workable form, with some participants suggesting trigonometric substitutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on completing the square and exploring trigonometric identities. The original poster has made several attempts to solve the integral and is actively engaging with the suggestions provided by others.

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There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the methods taught in their coursework, particularly concerning the manipulation of radicals and the application of trigonometric substitutions. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion about the integration process.

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Homework Statement


hi guys ,, how are you all ,,
i got another problem -_-

integral(1/sqrt(4 x-x^2), x)

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i have no idea , i tried and lift it up and make it (4x-x^2)^-0.5 and i even took x as common factor x^-0.5 * (4-x)^-0.5 but still couldn't do anything next ,, any ideas ??
 
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You need to complete the square under the radical sign.
 
Tom Mattson said:
You need to complete the square under the radical sign.

i don't think they taught us how to change it to radicals ,, can you tell me what's the name of the chapter that teach this thing ? or at least give me the name of the method so i can look up for it
 
Lord dark, complete the square. That will get you to the next step

Edit: tom beat me to it

edit2: dark, he did not say change it radicals, but to complete the square
 
lol ,, got the idea ,, thanks guys ,, i'll try then i'll give you the results
 
i tried to solve and i reached here ,, 1/sqrt(4x-x^2) = 1/abs(x)*sqrt(4-x^2) and i know it has something with inv(sec x) but the problem now is 4 ,, i don't know how to make an equation that differentiable and give 1/sqrt(4x-x^2) from inv (sec x),, so i read in wikipedia (http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/3/f/63ff35f597f9092362ae154641cfe48a.png)
so i think i get this answer: 0.5*inv(sec (x/2))+c ,, is it right ??
 
No that is wrong

When completing the square, you make it in the form \left( x \pm a\left)^2 - b

So you will be looking at \int{\frac{dx}{\sqrt{\left( x \pm a\left)^2 - b}}} which becomes an easy trig substitution
 
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ok ,, i think i did it right this time : integral[1/sqrt(4-(x-2)^2)] and i know its like the inverse of sin(x) [http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/2/e/8/2e805e2888bd24e7f61e54a002462204.png] but , i have 4 in square root instead of 1 what should i do ?? i tried and applied the previous way i learn from Wikipedia [0.5*inv(sin((x-2)/2))] but when i check i get wrong answer
 
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\frac{1}{\sqrt{4- (x-2)^2}}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{4(1-\frac{(x-2)^2}{4}}}= \frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1- \frac{(x-2)^2}{4}}}
 
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HallsofIvy said:
\frac{1}{\sqrt{4- (x-2)^2}}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{4(1-\frac{(x-2)^2}{4}}}= \frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1- \frac{(x-2)^2}{4}}}

Lol ,, i think am stupid now -_- ,, i got it until the second phase but i didn't think of getting 4 out of square root ,, thanks very much guys for the help
 
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