How To Integrate 1/[sqrt (x^2 + 3x + 2)] dx?

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To integrate the expression 1/sqrt(x^2 + 3x + 2) dx, the discussion emphasizes the importance of completing the square for the quadratic in the denominator. The correct form after completing the square is (x + 1.5)^2 - (0.5)^2, leading to the substitution u = x + 1.5. This transforms the integral into a standard form that can be approached using trigonometric or hyperbolic substitutions. Participants suggest that while trigonometric substitution can be complicated, using hyperbolic functions like cosh may simplify the integration process. The conversation highlights various methods and encourages experimentation with different substitutions for effective integration.
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Take a break and try again later with fresh eyes.
 
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vela said:
There's a less tricky way to integrate that.
$$\int \sec \theta\,d\theta = \int \frac 1{\cos \theta}\,d\theta = \int \frac {\cos\theta}{\cos^2 \theta}\,d\theta = \int \frac {\cos\theta}{1-\sin^2 \theta}\,d\theta$$ then use ##u=\sin\theta##.
Using ##\cosh## is about a hundred million time better. If you'll excuse the hyperbole!
 
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PeroK said:
Using ##\cosh## is about a hundred million time better. If you'll excuse the hyperbole!

How do you use ##\cosh##? Please show me an example.
 
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askor said:
How do you use ##\cosh##? Please show me an example.
Have the hyperbolic trig functions been presented to you, yet? If not, an example probably won't make much sense.
 
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PeroK said:
If you'll excuse the hyperbole!

I saw what you did there.
 
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and even what @PeroK presented in post 12 takes a little algebra to compute, starting with ## x=\cosh{u}=\frac{e^u+e^{-u}}{2} ##.
 
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I only know the very basic properties of hyperbolic function such as:

##\sinh x = \frac{e^x - e^{-x}}{2}##

and

##\cosh x = \frac{e^x + e^{-x}}{2}##

But I don't know how to use it in technique of integration.
 
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askor said:
I only know the very basic properties of hyperbolic function such as:

##\sinh x = \frac{e^x - e^{-x}}{2}##

and

##\cosh x = \frac{e^x + e^{-x}}{2}##

But I don't know how to use it in technique of integration.
Using the above definitions what are the derivatives of ##\sinh x## and ##\cosh x##?

What is ##\cosh^2 x## in terms of ##\sinh^2 x##?

In terms of integration, you use them the same way you use the trig functions, by substitution. E.g.:
$$x = \cosh u, \ \ dx = \frac{d}{du} (\cosh u) du$$
 
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askor said:
I only know the very basic properties of hyperbolic function such as:

##\sinh x = \frac{e^x - e^{-x}}{2}##

and

##\cosh x = \frac{e^x + e^{-x}}{2}##

But I don't know how to use it in technique of integration.
I think finding ##dx## helps so you need to find the derivative of ##\cosh x##. I learned it from a table of derivatives and integrals, which contained also ##\cosh x##.
 
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askor said:
How do you integrate ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 + 3x + 2}} dx##?

I had tried using ##u = x^2 + 3x + 2## and trigonometry substitution but failed.

Please give me some clues and hints.

Thank you

mentor note: moved from a non-homework to here hence no template.
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  • #41
askor said:
##\int \frac{du}{1 - u^2}##
The hyperbolic trig approach is neater, but to proceed with the above form use partial fractions.
 
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haruspex said:
The hyperbolic trig approach is neater, but to proceed with the above form use partial fractions.
With you have there, why couldn’t a second substitution be made, using ##1 - sin^2w = cos^2w##?

I’m sure I’m missing something.
 
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Grasshopper said:
With you have there, why couldn’t a second substitution be made, using ##1 - sin^2w = cos^2w##?

I’m sure I’m missing something.
That would be going back to what we had earlier, integrating sec.
Do you see how to solve it using partial fractions?
 
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haruspex said:
That would be going back to what we had earlier, integrating sec.
Do you see how to solve it using partial fractions?
Wait, lol sorry I see now. It was late I was not thinking clearly. But yeah this is one of the easier partial fractions.
 
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Grasshopper said:
Wait, lol sorry I see now. It was late I was not thinking clearly. But yeah this is one of the easier partial fractions.
what is the final solution? did you really get it?
 

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