How Can the Big Bang Occur Without Time?

[enquirealways]

Time was created at big bang.

Science says, Nothing can happen without time.

Then,

How did bigbang happen, when there was no time prior to it.

 

[Nugatory]

Science says, Nothing can happen without time.

Where does science say that?

 

[Drakkith]

How did bigbang happen, when there was no time prior to it.

We don't know how the big bang happened. We don't even know if the big bang was a real event or just a result of our incomplete knowledge of physics at the energies and densities of the very early universe.

 

[enquirealways]

Where does science say that?

Please give examples, where science doesn't say that.

By the way, counter questioning is not a good way to satisfy somebody's curiosity.

 

[enquirealways]

We don't know how the big bang happened. We don't even know if the big bang was a real event or just a result of our incomplete knowledge of physics at the energies and densities of the very early universe.

Then can it be said that all science basically deals with the supernatural/unknown/unknowable, given the present status of knowledge regarding the origin of our universe?

 

[micromass]

Please give examples, where science doesn't say that.

No, this is not how this forum works. If you make the statement, then you need to back that up. So please provide references where science says something like that.

This is like I'm accusing you of beating your wife, you saying no and then me asking to prove that you didn't. It's not correct. The burden of proof would be on me, not on you.

And counterquestioning is a perfectly valid technique. I don't really see what's wrong with it. He just asked you to clarify your position, how is that a bad thing.

So please provide an example where science says anything like you implied in the OP.

 

[micromass]

Then can it be said that all science basically deals with the supernatural/unknown/unknowable, given the present status of knowledge regarding the origin of our universe?

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that science deals with the supernatural. The universe exists and is (by definition almost) natural.

It's true that science deals with the unkown. That's the very nature of science, to try to know more about the world!

 

[enquirealways]

No, this is not how this forum works. If you make the statement, then you need to back that up. So please provide references where science says something like that.

This is like I'm accusing you of beating your wife, you saying no and then me asking to prove that you didn't. It's not correct. The burden of proof would be on me, not on you.

And counterquestioning is a perfectly valid technique. I don't really see what's wrong with it. He just asked you to clarify your position, how is that a bad thing.

So please provide an example where science says anything like you implied in the OP.

I am not a scientist who is debating something, i am a layman and i think this forum is for everyone. If not, do tell me.

As regards counterquestioning, it should be used in professional debates only. To go by your logic, nugatory should ask me the following questions also.

1. Who says time was created at big bang?

2. Where does science say, big bang happened?

3. Give the definition of time first.

This way, no discussion can proceed.

 

[enquirealways]

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that science deals with the supernatural. The universe exists and is (by definition almost) natural.

It's true that science deals with the unkown. That's the very nature of science, to try to know more about the world!

When science says ( now don't ask me where it says so) that, in principle we cannot know below the plank level, the unknown does become the supernatural.

 

[micromass]

OK, since you refuse to give suitable references, I am locking this thread. I recommend you to read the rules: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380