How can the displacement fields be composed to obtain the desired outcome?

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The discussion revolves around the composition of displacement fields in the context of engineering, specifically how to derive the expression for a displacement field w in terms of other displacement fields u and v. Participants are exploring the mathematical properties of function composition and its implications for the given equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Luc presents the equation Id + w = (Id + u) o (Id + v) and seeks clarification on how to derive w = v + u_warped_by_v.
  • One participant questions the interpretation of "u warped by v," suggesting it may refer to the composition u o v instead.
  • Another participant agrees with the critique, stating that the correct expansion should include u o v, leading to Id + u + v + u o v.
  • Luc acknowledges the non-distributive nature of function composition and expresses confusion about the identity involving Id + w.
  • Further clarification is offered that "u_warped_by_v" might be interpreted as (u + u o v), but this remains uncertain.
  • Luc explores the possibility of rewriting the composition but questions whether this assumes distributive properties that may not hold.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the composition of displacement fields, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of "u warped by v" or the validity of the proposed identities.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definitions of terms used, particularly "u warped by v," and the assumptions about the properties of function composition in this context. The discussion highlights the complexity of deriving expressions in mathematical formulations without clear definitions.

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Hello all,

I am reading an engineering book and am having trouble understanding a bit. Let u, v and w be displacement fields, we want w such that

Id+w = (Id + u) o (Id + v)
= Id + v + u_warped_by_v

meaning w = v + u_warped_by_v

In the above equations o denotes composition of the displacement fields.

I am having trouble understanding how

(Id + u) o (Id + v) = Id + v + u_warped_by_v

I thought that by distributive law, we have:

(Id+u)o(Id+v) = (Id+u)o(Id) + (Id+u)o(v)

However, still having trouble trying to derive that expression. Wondering if anyone could help me out with it. Would be much appreciated.

Many thanks,

Luc
 
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It would help if you would explain your terms. I assume that "Id" is the identity operator. I have no idea what "u warped by v" could mean!

If Id is the identity operator, then what you have is NOT correct.

(Id+ u)o (Id+ v)= Id+ u+ v+ u o v. I presume your "u warped by v" is my u o v but it seems to me there must be a "u" in the formula that is not in yours.
 
Hi,

Thanks for the reply. I read a bit online about function composition and it seems that it is not distributive.

But I still am at a loss as to how this identity came about:

Id+w = (Id + u) o (Id + v) = Id + v + u o v

Thanks,

Luc
 
Hi Luc! :wink:
pamparana said:
Id+w = (Id + u) o (Id + v) = Id + v + u o v

As HallsofIvy :smile: says, that's wrong, it should be Id + v + (u + u o v) …

I guess :redface: that "u_warped_by_v" is the book's way of writing (u + u o v) :wink:
 
Hi there,

Thanks for the reply. So what I could come up with is:

(Id + u) o (Id + v) = (Id o (Id + v)) + (u o (Id + v))
= (Id + v) + (u o (Id + v))

However, I am not sure if I can write:

(Id + u) o (Id + v) = (Id o (Id + v)) + (u o (Id + v))

Is that not assuming that composition of group elements is distributive...

Thanks,

Luc
 

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