How can the squeeze theorem be used to find the limit of n^2/n! for n > 5?

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the expression n^2/n! as n approaches infinity, specifically for n greater than 5. Participants are exploring the application of the squeeze theorem in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Initial attempts involve calculating the limit directly, with some participants suggesting that the limit approaches infinity. Others question the correctness of this conclusion and seek clarification on the steps taken. There is a focus on the interpretation of mathematical expressions and the implications of factorial growth compared to polynomial growth.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, with some providing examples to illustrate trends in the limit calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply the squeeze theorem effectively, particularly in modifying arguments for n greater than 5.

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Some participants note ambiguities in mathematical notation and the importance of clarity in expressing calculations. There is also a recognition that the initial bounds provided may not be sufficient for the application of the squeeze theorem.

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Homework Statement


calculate lim n->inf (n^2/n!)

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i just calculated, and i got inf as the ans...
n^2/1X2X3...Xn
n/1X2X3...X(n-1)
1/[(1X2X3...)/n](1-1/n)
when n->inf, it will go to inf

am i correct? or there is something wrong?
 
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cloveryeah said:

Homework Statement


calculate lim n->inf (n^2/n!)

2. Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i just calculated, and i got inf as the ans...
n^2/1X2X3...Xn
n/1X2X3...X(n-1)
1/[(1X2X3...)/n](1-1/n)
when n->inf, it will go to inf

am i correct? or there is something wrong?
That is incorrect.
 
what is wrong?
 
cloveryeah said:
what is wrong?
Your answer is wrong. The limit is not infinity.

cloveryeah said:
n^2/1X2X3...Xn
n/1X2X3...X(n-1)
1/[(1X2X3...)/n](1-1/n)
The 2nd and 3rd lines above are OK but written ambiguously.
According to the standard rules of precedence, n/1X2X3...X(n-1) = ##\frac n 1 2 \cdot 3 \cdot \dots (n - 1)##, which is probably not what you intended.
The 3rd line would be interpreted as ##\frac 1 { \frac{1 \cdot 2 \cdot 3 \dots } n} (1 - 1/n)##. That's so convoluted that you probably misled yourself.
 
why not
n / [1X2X3...(n-1)]
 
cloveryeah said:
why not
n / [1X2X3...(n-1)]
That would be fine, although at the calculus level, you should get out of the habit of writing X for multiplication. It's too easily confused as a variable.

So what is ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\frac n {1 \cdot 2 \cdot 3 \cdot \dots (n - 1)}##?
 
lim→∞ 1/ [ (1⋅2⋅3⋅⋅⋅/n)(1-1/n)] = 1/0 = inf ??
 
cloveryeah said:
lim→∞ 1/ [ (1⋅2⋅3⋅⋅⋅/n)(1-1/n)] = 1/0 = inf ??

You tell us.
 
@cloveryeah, here are some easier examples for you, to help you get your head around this stuff.

##\frac {3^2} {3!} = \frac 9 6 = 3/2##
##\frac {4^2} {4!} = \frac {16}{24} = 2/3##
##\frac {5^2} {5!} = ?##
##\frac {6^2} {6!} = ?##
Do you see any sort of trend here?
 
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Consider: If n > 4 then n! = n(n-1) \times \cdots \times 1 > n(n-1). Thus 0 < \frac{n^2}{n!} < \frac{n^2}{n(n-1)} < \frac43. That tells you that the limit of \frac{n^2}{n!}, if it exists, must be finite. Unfortunately this bound on \frac1{n!} is not sufficiently accurate for the squeeze theorem to assist, since \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{n}{n-1} = 1.

But how, for n > 5, could you modify the above argument so that the squeeze theorem will assist?
 

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