How can wires carry analog signal?

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The discussion revolves around how analog signals can be transmitted through cables, particularly in the context of cable TV. Participants explore the implications of cable length on signal integrity, the effects of attenuation, and the modulation methods used in analog and digital transmissions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how analog signals can be accurately transmitted over varying cable lengths, suggesting that changes in voltage could lead to significant visual discrepancies.
  • Another participant explains that while attenuation affects the amplitude of a signal, it does not impact its frequency, and amplifiers can restore the signal's original level.
  • A participant notes that TV signals, whether analog or digital, utilize frequency modulation, which may reduce sensitivity to amplitude variations.
  • Further discussion includes the bandwidth of NTSC TV channels and how coax cables, despite being lossy, do not significantly alter the waveform shape of the transmitted signal.
  • One participant provides a link to additional resources on modulation schemes, indicating the complexity and breadth of communication theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of cable length and attenuation on analog signal quality, with some emphasizing the role of amplifiers and modulation techniques, while others raise concerns about potential visual distortions. No consensus is reached on the overall implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors affecting signal transmission, such as signal-to-noise ratio and frequency-dependent loss in cables, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on analog signal integrity.

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Digital Cable seems to be a newer thing, which would imply cable TV up to this point has been analog. How? How can a cable accurately carry an analog signal, probably based on voltage, if cable length greatly affects voltage? Wouldn't that cause all sorts of crazy problems such as things appearing blue if the cable length is 1m but appear red if the cable length is 50m? Be a rectangle if the cable is 5m but appear as a circle at 100m? It's not too crazy to think the voltage can drop from 10V to 5V if the cable is too long.

Given that analog signal requires very accurate detection, wouldn't small changes in voltage cause extreme changes in the picture?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of analog. It's infinitely more complicated than digital.
 
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Attenuation in a cable affects the amplitude of a signal, not its frequency (neglecting any dispersion effects). So all you have to do is run the attenuated signal through an amplifier to boost it back up to its original level.

TV (whether analog or digital) uses frequency modulation of a VHF or UHF carrier signal, so I don't think it's very sensitive to variations in overall amplitude to begin with. Which is a good thing, because with over-the-air broadcast TV the signal strength from the receiving antenna can vary tremendously from one station to another, depending on the transmitter power, distance from the transmitter, sensitivity (gain) of the receiving antenna, physical obstacles such as buildings or mountains, and atmospheric conditions.
 
jtbell said:
TV (whether analog or digital) uses frequency modulation of a VHF or UHF carrier signal...
Which is why FM radio is typically better in quality than AM (amplitude modulation) radio.
 
Shawn -- check out some of this info on modulation schemes (both analog and digital):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation

Communication theory is a very broad, interesting and practical subject.
 
The bandwidth of a standard-definition NTSC TV channel is about 5 MHz. Even though coax cables used by cable networks are lossy, and their loss is frequency-dependent, the group delay of all the frequencies between, say, 50 and 55 MHz is roughly equal. The signal's waveform (shape) is thus not changed (much) by the transmission. Only the amplitude is attenuated, and this can be fixed with an amplifier, as long as the signal's signal-to-noise ratio is still acceptable even after the attentuation.

In the limit of smaller and smaller bandwidth signals, channel effects become less and less significent. Obviously, if you're only transmitting a single frequency (zero bandwidth), a cable's not going to affect its shape -- all the cable can do is decrease its amplitude.

- Warren
 

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