How Can You Calculate the Area of a Triangle in an Orthogonal Coordinate System?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of a triangle defined by three vertices in an orthogonal coordinate system. Participants explore various methods for solving this problem, including vector approaches and Heron's Formula.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant suggests using the vector cross product to find the area of the parallelogram formed by the triangle's vertices, indicating that the area of the triangle can be obtained by dividing this value by two.
  • Another participant references a formula they developed for finding the area of a triangle formed by three points in a plane, linking to an external resource for further details.
  • A different participant proposes an alternative method involving calculating the lengths of each side of the triangle and applying Heron's Formula, suggesting this as a fallback option if other methods are not successful.

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There is no consensus on a single method for calculating the area, as multiple approaches are suggested, and participants express different preferences for solving the problem.

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Some methods rely on specific assumptions about the coordinate system and the properties of the triangle, which may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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In an orthogonal cordinate system determine the area of the triangle with vertices in $$(-4,1)$$, $$(1,4)$$ and $$(-5,10)$$ There is prob many way to solve it so go ahead with your method:) I made a hint for vector method.
Hint
The area of a triangle is half of the area of parallelogram
 
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Re: Area

The vector cross product, I believe (or the magnitude thereof) gives the area of the corresponding parallelogram. Hence, divide by two to get the answer. I get
$$[ \langle -4,1,0 \rangle- \langle 1,4,0 \rangle] \times [ \langle -4,1,0 \rangle- \langle -5,10,0 \rangle]= \langle -5,-3,0 \rangle \times \langle 1,-9,0 \rangle$$
$$= \left| \begin{matrix} \hat{i} & \hat{j} & \hat{k}\\ -5 &-3 &0 \\ 1 &-9 &0\end{matrix} \right| = \hat{k}((-5)(-9)-(-3)(1))= \hat{k}(45+3)=48 \hat{k}.$$
Hence, the area of the triangle is $24$ units squared.
 
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Using the formula I developed http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f49/finding-area-triangle-formed-3-points-plane-2954/, we find:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}|(-5+4)(4-1)-(1+4)(10-1)|=\frac{48}{2}=24$$
 
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Petrus said:
In an orthogonal cordinate system determine the area of the triangle with vertices in $$(-4,1)$$, $$(1,4)$$ and $$(-5,10)$$ There is prob many way to solve it so go ahead with your method:) I made a hint for vector method.
Hint
The area of a triangle is half of the area of parallelogram

If you get really desperate, you could work out the length of each side of the triangle by evaluating the distance between each set of points, and then use Heron's Formula.
 
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The good old fashion method. The slope between the points (-4,1) and (1,4) is $$\frac{3}{5}. $$So the slope of a line perpendicular to it is $$-\frac{5}{3}$$This gives the two equations $$y-1=\frac{3}{5}(x+4)$$ the equation of the line perpendicular is $$y-10=-\frac{5}{3}(x+5)$$ Solving the system for the point of intersection gives $$\left(-\frac{13}{17},\frac{50}{17} \right)$$ The length of each line segment can now be calculated $$b=\int_{-4}^{1}\sqrt{1+(\frac{3}{5})^2}dx=\frac{24}{17} \sqrt{34}\\ h=\int_{-5}^{-\frac{13}{17}}\sqrt{1+(-\frac{5}{3})^2}dx=\sqrt{34}\\$$ This gives the area of the triangle $$A=\frac{1}{2}bh=24$$
 

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