How Can You Calculate the Maximum Flow Rate for a Hot Shower?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum flow rate for a hot shower, given specific parameters such as incoming water temperature, water heater capacity, and desired shower temperature. The subject area includes thermodynamics and fluid dynamics, particularly focusing on heat transfer and flow rates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the maximum flow rate using energy equations and temperature differences. Some participants question the use of specific heat capacity and the formula applied for flow rate calculation. There is a discussion about the appropriateness of units and whether to express results in cubic feet per minute or gallons per minute.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, offering insights and questioning certain assumptions. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer, but guidance has been provided regarding unit conversions and formula application.

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There are constraints related to the use of imperial units, which some participants find challenging. The original poster is working under the assumption that the calculations must yield results in cubic feet per minute, despite suggestions to consider gallons per minute.

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Homework Statement


My youngest son likes a hot shower, and wants to stay in the shower as long as possible. We do not have an on-demand water heater. He is a small boy, so he doesn't need that much water. The incoming water supply is at 45 deg F and our water heater is rated at 45,000 BTU/hour. Compute the maximum flow rate of the shower (in cubic feet per minute) so that my son can stay in the shower all day in 95 deg F water.

Initial temperature: 45F
Final Temperature: 95F
Work: 45 000 BTU/hour
Density of water:
Time: 24 hours
Heat Capacity of water = 1
densityWater = 62.428;

Homework Equations


energy = work*time
mWater = Q/(cWater*differenceInTemp)
volumeWater = mWater/densityWater;
maxFlowWater = volumeWater/(time*60);

The Attempt at a Solution


differenceInTemp = 95 - 45
work = 45000
time = 24
energy = work*time
(This is the energy used by the water heater)
cWater = 1
The energy used by the water heater is equal to the energy received by the water, so: energy = Q = mWater*cWater*differenceInTemp

mWater = energy/(cWater*differenceInTemp);
densityWater = 62.428;
volumeWater = mWater/densityWater;

maxFlowWater = volumeWater/(time*60);

I was told there was a problem with my formula, but I can't find it.
 
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By "heat capacity" am I right to assume you are using "specific heat capacity"? I'm assuming you're right with the constants - imperial units are pretty alien to me hahaha

Also, in your very last step (funding flow rate), I think the "error" came about when you divided by (time*60) - there seems to be no reason to have an additional "time" in there (dividing by 60 minutes will do, since it's what you're looking at to find cubic metres per minute).
 
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Alloymouse said:
By "heat capacity" am I right to assume you are using "specific heat capacity"? I'm assuming you're right with the constants - imperial units are pretty alien to me hahaha

Also, in your very last step (funding flow rate), I think the "error" came about when you divided by (time*60) - there seems to be no reason to have an additional "time" in there (dividing by 60 minutes will do, since it's what you're looking at to find cubic metres per minute).
I'm bad with imperial units too, they do not make any sense to me. I was just asked to use them, so I'm just 80% sure about the values.
I multiplied the time by 60 to get the flow in cubic feet per minutes, rather than cubic feet per hour. I understood that I was computing the energy for 24 hours, so I should divide it back to one hour, then one minute.
 
frequentPeriod said:
I'm bad with imperial units too, they do not make any sense to me. I was just asked to use them, so I'm just 80% sure about the values.
I multiplied the time by 60 to get the flow in cubic feet per minutes, rather than cubic feet per hour. I understood that I was computing the energy for 24 hours, so I should divide it back to one hour, then one minute.

Ah, understood.

Hmmm can't find anything else that might cause and error. Have you used your formulae to work things out? If so, what is the correct answer?
 
I think the results should be reported in gallons per minute.
 
Chestermiller said:
I think the results should be reported in gallons per minute.
The question did specify cubic feet per minute though
 
Alloymouse said:
The question did specify cubic feet per minute though
True. But, in practice, home water flows are virtually always expressed in gpm.
 

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