How can you evaluate a definite integral using trigonometric substitution?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral ∫(0 to 3) dx/sqrt(25+x^2) using trigonometric substitution. Participants explore various substitution methods and the implications of their choices on the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution x=5tanθ and its implications for dx and the integral's transformation. There are questions about the correctness of the integral's evaluation and the resulting expressions. Some participants express confusion regarding the anti-derivative of sec(θ) and its relationship to tan(θ)sec(θ).

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the correct forms of derivatives and integrals, with some participants suggesting alternative methods such as using hyperbolic functions. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches without a clear consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings about trigonometric identities and integration techniques, particularly in the context of definite integrals and substitution methods.

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Homework Statement



evaluate the definite integral ∫(0 to 3) dx/sqrt(25+x^2)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I first used substitution and set x=5tanθ, and dx=5tanθsecθdθ

then i wrote the integral as 5∫ tanθsecθdθ/sqrt(25(1+tan^2(θ))

after some simplification i got

∫tanθsecθdθ/secθ = ∫tanθ =tanθsecθ

I then used θ=arctan(x/5) from the original x substitution and my final solution looked like this

tan(arctan(3/5))sec(arctan(3/5))-tan(arctan(0))sec(arctan(0))

It is incorrect, can anyone let me know where i might have done something incorrectly? Thanks
 
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if x=5 tan(theta) then isn't dx=5sec^2(theta) dtheta
 
jedishrfu said:
if x=5 tan(theta) then isn't dx=5sec^2(theta) dtheta

oh you're right, but after solving the integral i still end up with tanθsecθ.. Unless i am doing something wrong in finding my θ values for x=3 and x=0?
 
doctordiddy said:
oh you're right, but after solving the integral i still end up with tanθsecθ.. Unless i am doing something wrong in finding my θ values for x=3 and x=0?

No, you don't get tanθsecθ. And the integral of tanθ isn't even tanθsecθ. What are you doing?
 
doctordiddy said:

Homework Statement



evaluate the definite integral ∫(0 to 3) dx/sqrt(25+x^2)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I first used substitution and set x=5tanθ, and dx=5tanθsecθdθ

then i wrote the integral as 5∫ tanθsecθdθ/sqrt(25(1+tan^2(θ))

after some simplification i got

∫tanθsecθdθ/secθ = ∫tanθ =tanθsecθ

I then used θ=arctan(x/5) from the original x substitution and my final solution looked like this

tan(arctan(3/5))sec(arctan(3/5))-tan(arctan(0))sec(arctan(0))

It is incorrect, can anyone let me know where i might have done something incorrectly? Thanks
If you use your substitution to find \displaystyle \ \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{25+x*2}}\,,\ you get \displaystyle \ \int\sec(\theta)\,d\theta\ .

The anti-derivative of sec(θ) is not tan(θ)sec(θ) . The derivative of sec(θ) is tan(θ)sec(θ) . You seem to have these confused.

A better substitution uses the hyperbolic sine, x = sinh(u) .
 
SammyS said:
If you use your substitution to find \displaystyle \ \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{25+x*2}}\,,\ you get \displaystyle \ \int\sec(\theta)\,d\theta\ .

The anti-derivative of sec(θ) is not tan(θ)sec(θ) . The derivative of sec(θ) is tan(θ)sec(θ) . You seem to have these confused.

A better substitution uses the hyperbolic sine, x = sinh(u) .

oh right thanks, i used ∫secx=ln(secx+tanx) and it worked. Just a question about the hyperbolic sine, would you mind explaining it a bit to me or linking me to a good place that explains it? I don't think I've been taught it yet but one of the listed possible solutions has arccosh in it, and I am curious as to what exactly it is
 

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