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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function involving \(3^x\) and \(\log 3\), specifically exploring the use of integration by parts versus substitution methods in calculus.

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  • Participants explore different methods for integrating the function, with some suggesting integration by parts while others propose simpler substitution techniques. There is a discussion about the nature of \(\log 3\) and whether it is base 10 or natural logarithm, leading to questions about the implications of the base on the integration process.

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The conversation includes various perspectives on the integration methods, with some participants questioning the necessity of integration by parts. There are attempts to clarify the definitions and implications of using different logarithmic bases, and some guidance is offered regarding the substitution method, though no consensus is reached.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the notation of logarithms and the specific form of the integrand. There are references to the need for clarity on whether the logarithm is natural or base 10, which may affect the integration approach.

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|3^xlog3dxI don't even know where to start.
I know that the formula is
|u.dv = uv - |v.du
u=3^x v=log3
 

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You don't need by parts to do this. You can use a simple substitution.
[tex]\int 3^x ln 3 dx[/tex]
Let [itex]u = 3^x[/itex] , then [itex]du = 3^x ln 3 dx[/itex]
The integral becomes [tex]\int du[/tex] Integrate and substitute u back.
 
Log 3 is a constant, which means that dv = 0.
 
You don't need integration by parts to find this, its pretty simple, do you know what is the derivative of ##3^x##?
 
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Mastermind01 said:
You don't need by parts to do this. You can use a simple substitution.
[tex]\int 3^x ln 3 dx[/tex]
Let [itex]u = 3^x[/itex] , then [itex]du = 3^x ln 3 dx[/itex]
The integral becomes [tex]\int du[/tex] Integrate and substitute u back.
  1. The equation is 3^xlog3
 
Electgineer99 said:
  1. The equation is 3^xlog3

That's what I wrote, or do you mean to say it's base 10?
 
Mastermind01 said:
That's what I wrote, or do you mean to say it's base 10?
it is base 10, but will it make any difference if it is base 10 or any other bases?
 
Are you sure? It's pretty common in calculus classes to denote the natural logarithm by log.
 
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##c = \log_{10} 3## would only be a change by a constant factor ##c##.
You can write ##3^x \cdot \log_{10} 3 = e^{x \cdot \ln3} \cdot \log_{10}3## and use ##\int c e^{ax} dx = \frac{c}{a} e^{ax} + const.## with ##a = \ln 3.##
 
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Electgineer99 said:
it is base 10, but will it make any difference if it is base 10 or any other bases?

It will make a slight difference, using the same substitution the integral would be [itex]\log e[/itex] (base 10) which is also easily integrated as it's a constant.

But, like @vela said you should make sure it's base 10.
 
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∫3×ln3.dx
u=3× dx=du/ln(3).3×
∫u.ln(3).du/ln(3).3×
ln(3) canceled each other.
∫u.du/3×
⅓×∫u.du
⅓×.u²/2
Then I would substitute u=3×
Am I right with this?
 
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Electgineer99 said:
∫3×ln3.dx
u=3× dx=du/ln(3).3×
∫u.ln(3).du/ln(3).3×
ln(3) canceled each other.
∫u.du/3×
⅓×∫u.du
⅓×.u²/2
Then I would substitute u=3×
Am I right with this?
That integrand is 3 times ln(3) .

I think you mean for it to be 3x ln(3) .

After the u substitution you have that du = 3x ln(3) dx .

Thus your integral simply becomes ##\ \int du \ .##
 
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Okay I got it now, u° equal 1, so the answer is 3×.
 
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Electgineer99 said:
Okay I got it now, u° equal 1, so the answer is 3×.
I believe that you mean 3x or write 3^x .

Also, don't forget the constant of integration.
 

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