How centripetal force is created?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of centripetal force, specifically its origin and whether it is applied by individuals or generated by other sources. Participants explore various scenarios involving centripetal force in circular motion, including practical examples and theoretical explanations.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that centripetal force can be applied by individuals to objects, while others argue that it is generated by external sources, such as friction or tension.
  • One participant clarifies that centripetal force is not a distinct force but rather a component of the net force acting on an object in circular motion.
  • There is a question about the relationship between centripetal and centrifugal forces, with some noting that centrifugal forces are fictitious in non-inertial frames.
  • Examples of applying centripetal force by hand include activities like twirling a stone on a string or performing gymnastic maneuvers.
  • Participants express confusion about specific examples, such as the rotation of Earth around the sun and the movement of a car, and seek clarification on the sources of centripetal force in these cases.
  • Responses indicate that in some examples, hands are not involved in applying centripetal force, while in others, the force is attributed to friction or tension from other objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of centripetal force, with multiple competing views regarding its application and sources remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the definitions and applications of centripetal force, indicating a need for further clarification on specific examples and the underlying physics.

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Hello, teachers.

Do we apply centripetal force ourselves Or is it created by some other source? What is the source? How is it created?

I could not find the answer, I'm confused, please help me clarify this.

Many many thanks.
 
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We can apply centripetal force to another object (but not to ourself) and set the object to a circular orbit.

If ourself is in circular orbit, then something else is apllying centripetal force on us.

The source of centripetal force can be anything, for example when we sit inside a car that does circles, then the centripetal force is applied on us by the seat of the car, or by the car's sidewall. The centripetal force to the car (because the car is also in circular orbit) is applied to the car from the friction between the car's tyres and the ground.
 
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The centripetal force is a name for the "component of the net-force on an object that makes it go around a circle [that is, turns the velocity vector]".
It's not a new force... it need not have a single source...
It does not appear as "an additional force" on a Free-Body Diagram.
It is part of the net-force on the object.
 
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Are Centripetal and centrifugal force come from the same origin ...or are they action and reaction forces ?
 
They are related but in a complicated way...Centrifugal forces are fictitious forces in a non-inertial frame of reference
 
LogU16 said:
Do we apply centripetal force ourselves Or is it created by some other source? What is the source? How is it created?

I could not find the answer, I'm confused, please help me clarify this.
I really don't understand what you mean by the questions. "Ourselves"? "Other source?" "How?" Maybe on a more basic level you need to understand what centripetal force is, because those follow directly from any description. The answers might just be a pice of string (on a yoyo), gravity (for the moon) or a tire (for a car).
 
Random examples of "ourselves" generating the tension that results in centripetal forse: a twirling pole dancer; the outermost ice skaters when a line of them are rotating in a circle; a water skier when traveling in a circular arc (the tension component in the tow line and the skier's arms), a gymnast doing rotations on a high bar, a gymnast swinging on "flying rings", a gymnast doing flips in mid air, ... .

Short video of the last two examples:

http://rcgldr.net/real/quad.wmv
 
@russ_watters Sir, I mean to say; Do we apply centripetal force by our hands Or is it generated by itself? What is the cause for this force?
 
LogU16 said:
@russ_watters Sir, I mean to say; Do we apply centripetal force by our hands Or is it generated by itself? What is the cause for this force?
We can apply it with our hands -- many examples were already given.
 
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Thank you Sir, could you give me one or two examples in which we apply this force by our hands?
 
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LogU16 said:
Thank you Sir, could you give me one or two examples in which we apply this force by our hands?
This is getting frustrating: did you not read the examples already given? Is there anything specific you don't understand about any of them?
 
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@russ_watters Sir, I have read the examples but I am unable to differentiate where we apply this force by our hands.

The examples which I'm confused about are;
1) A small stone attached to a string moving in a circle
2) Rotation of Earth around the sun
3) movement of a car in a circle on the road
4) A person running in a circle

Could you please tell me what's the source of generating the centripetal force in above four examples?
Many many thanks!
 
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LogU16 said:
@russ_watters Sir, I have read the examples but I am unable to differentiate where we apply this force by our hands.

1) A small stone attached to a string moving in a circle - the person's hand pulls inwards on the string, creating an inwards force, but most of the centripetal force is exerted by the string onto the stone.

2) Rotation of Earth around the sun - hands are not involved.

3) movement of a car in a circle on the road - hands are not involved.

4) A person running in a circle - hands are not involved (feet are).

Read post #7 again for examples of centripetal force being applied via a persons hands.
 
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Thanks, Sir @rcgldr. I request you to please tell me the cause of centripetal force in examples 2,3 and 4 too.
 
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LogU16 said:
Thanks, Sir @rcgldr. I request you to please tell me the cause of centripetal force in examples 2,3 and 4 too.
Can you apply what you have learned and attempt to answer that question yourself?
 
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Ok Sir. I just try to answer, If you find any mistake in my explanation, please correct me here;

1) A small stone attached to a string moving in a circle >>> centripetal force is the tension force that string applies over the stone.
2) Rotation of Earth around the sun >>> centripetal force is the force of gravity that is applied on the Earth by the sun.
3) movement of a car in a circle on the road >>> centripetal force is the force of friction (present between tires and road) that is applied by the road on the car.
4) A person running in a circle >>> centripetal force is the force of friction (present between the feet and the ground) that is applied by the ground on the person.

Thanks a lot!
 

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