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How did we use the + and - ends of resistors in this problem

  1. Jan 19, 2015 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu/static/circuits/ocwe1_1.png [Broken]


    upload_2015-1-19_9-51-22.png

    What happens when you click on this link? https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu/section/three-series-resistors-slow/

    Exercise 1-1, Part 1, Detail
    Or this one
    https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu/courseware/
    The original problem is under Week 1 Tutorials

    These are all publicly available videos and materials ^
    I was able to view the above with just any computer

    2. Relevant equations

    V=IR
    P= I squared times V



    3. The attempt at a solution

    It's not my solution it is just the video walkthrough of the problem I have trouble with. The right hand side of the screenshot with handwriting is done before the power calculationso n the left.

    In the video of the above, the speaker just labels the + and - ends of the resistors after having already computed V of R1, V of R2 etc. So he labeled them after doing the entire right side. He then says that this notation causes the negative sign in the Power equation. I don't understand that.

    1. But first, I don't understand how the + and - markings on the resistors would affect any of the calculations on the right side. Once I understand that I think I will understand the negative sign on the power calculations better.

    2. For the expression for I (the current) in the top right that is boxed in, does the markings of + or - on the resistors affect that expression?

    3. What happens when you click on the links?
     
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  4. Jan 19, 2015 #3

    NascentOxygen

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    The general form of the equation for electrical power into any element = Voltage across that element x current into that element

    The loop current is marked, I. For that element on the left, its terminal voltage is V, and we can see its input current is -I, so its power input is V×(-I).

    For the resistors, with loop current I already marked, you can determine the corresponding voltage & polarity across each individual resistor.

    The sum of all the power inputs for all elements comes to zero.

    I haven't downloaded the videos you cite.
     
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  5. Jan 19, 2015 #4

    CWatters

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    Playing the devil... The resistors have +ve current going into the +ve terminal BUT -ve current going into the -ve terminal. Which is the "input current"?
     
  6. Jan 19, 2015 #5
    For the bolded in the quote, what did we do to see that the input current is I?
    For the underlined in the quote, upload_2015-1-19_16-49-50.png as far as I can tell the only labeling of I is mentioning it under ground as upload_2015-1-19_16-49-29.png without direction. upload_2015-1-19_16-50-22.png as far as I can tell is just him making up a variable but I don't understand how it was originally defined to give us the signs we end up with.

    The + and - on the resistors that the lecturer write also seems somewhat arbitrary to me given that there are no + and - in the original problem statement

    upload_2015-1-19_16-48-16.png
     
  7. Jan 19, 2015 #6

    NascentOxygen

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    Someone marked the current direction with an arrow. It doesn't matter who did, for once the loop current is assigned a direction then it stays with that direction in all subsequent calculations. Amongst other things, this means that voltage polarities all around the loop must then be assigned so that they are all consistent with that current's direction.

    It doesn't matter that we may find later, after analysis, that the current would actually be going in the opposite direction, all that matters is that we remain mathematically correct at all stages in our calculations. Should we at the end of this find that I, as marked, has a negative value, it just means that the current is opposite to what was marked on. That is not problem, and no ones fault. The mathemtics is correct, and we know how to interpret the results. That is all that we are concerned with.
     
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