How Do Absolute Values Affect Integration?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of absolute values on the process of integration, specifically focusing on the integral of the expression $$\int \sqrt{x^4+2x^3+x^2}$$. Participants explore the necessity of considering different cases based on the values of x when computing both indefinite and definite integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is necessary to state all cases when computing the integral, suggesting that the answer provided by most people may only be valid for certain ranges of x.
  • Another participant confirms that the method of calculating the integral as proposed is indeed correct, indicating that failing to consider the cases would lead to an incorrect answer.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about whether their previous educational materials covered the necessity of considering cases for indefinite integrals, indicating a potential gap in their learning.
  • Participants agree on the need to state all cases for the integral based on the conditions of x, reinforcing the importance of this consideration in the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of stating all cases when integrating the given expression. However, there is some uncertainty regarding whether this approach was covered in their previous studies, indicating a lack of consensus on educational practices.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their previous exposure to the concept of absolute values in integration, suggesting that there may be limitations in their understanding based on their educational background.

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I feel like I'm asking the weirdest questions that most people don't ask, but here it is.

Suppose we have this integral (I made it up):

$$\int \sqrt{x^4+2x^3+x^2}$$

Now, I feel most people would say the answer is simply, $\frac{1}{3}x^3+\frac{1}{2}x^2+C$. But technically, that is only true when $x<-1$ or $x>0$. Are we suppose to state all the cases?

Now let's test this on a definite integral:
$$=\int_{-2}^0 \sqrt{x^4+2x^3+x^2}$$
$$=\int_{-2}^0|x^2+x|$$

$$|x^2+x|=\begin{cases}x^2+x, & x<-1, & x>0 \\[3pt] -(x^2+x), & -1<x<0 \\ \end{cases}$$

$$=\int_{-2}^{-1} x^2+x\,dx+\int_{-1}^{0} -(x^2+x)\,dx=1$$

Is this how it is supposed to be computed?
 
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Rido12 said:
Is this how it is supposed to be computed?

Yep!

If you take the way "most people" would calculate it, you'll just get the wrong answer. :eek:
 
Either my workbook never did that for indefinite integrals, or I haven't encountered any of them.

$$=\int \sqrt{x^4+2x^3+x^2}$$

Case 1: if $x<-1$ or $x>0$
$$=\int x^2+x$$

Case 2: if $-1<x<0$
$$=\int -(x^2+x)$$

Stating all these cases are necessary, right?
 
Rido12 said:
Either my workbook never did that for indefinite integrals, or I haven't encountered any of them.

$$=\int \sqrt{x^4+2x^3+x^2}$$

Case 1: if $x<-1$ or $x>0$
$$=\int x^2+x$$

Case 2: if $-1<x<0$
$$=\int -(x^2+x)$$

Stating all these cases are necessary, right?

Yep.
 

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