How Do Concave Mirrors Form Real or Virtual Images?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which concave mirrors form real or virtual images, focusing on the relationship between object distance, image distance, and magnification.

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  • Participants explore the criteria for determining whether an image is real or virtual based on distances and magnification. Questions are raised about the definitions of real and virtual images and the implications of magnification values.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between magnification and image type, with some participants providing insights into the sign conventions used in optics. Multiple interpretations of the conditions for real and virtual images are being discussed.

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Participants reference the standard mirror equation and discuss the Cartesian sign convention, indicating a need for clarity on definitions and assumptions related to image formation.

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how can you tell when the image will become real or virtual in a concave mirror, the distance?..i'm not sure

thanks in advance

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oh i think i know..is it the magnification, if the magnification is more than 1 then that means its virtual since it would be upright and a bigger image

is that right?
 
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This is correct;
mmg0789 said:
how can you tell when the image will become real or virtual in a concave mirror, the distance?

Using the standar equation for a mirror;

[tex]\frac{1}{d_{O}} + \frac{1}{d_{i}} = \frac{1}{f}[/tex]

When [itex]d_{i}[/itex] is positive, the image is real; if it is negative the image is virtual. [itex]d_{i}[/itex] is the horizontal displacement of the image from the centre of the mirror. [itex]d_{O}[/itex] is the horizontal displacement of the object from the centre of the mirror and [itex]f[/itex] is the focal length of the mirror (which is positive for a concave mirror).

It is possible it have a real image that is larger than the object. What is the definition of a real and virtual image?

More information is available here;
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/mirray.html#c3
 
Actually if the magnification is +ve , the image is virtual.
-ve->real
(As per new Cartesian sign convention)
 
arunbg said:
Actually if the magnification is +ve , the image is virtual.
-ve->real
(As per new Cartesian sign convention)

I agree, that's why I said above
Hootenanny said:
t is possible it have a real image that is larger than the object.

I did forget to mention however, that the image would be inverted.

~H
 

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