How do I calculate the individual interactions between two links of a chain?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter ComputerPsi
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Chain Movement
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the simulation of the two-dimensional movement of a chain composed of rigid links, specifically focusing on the individual interactions between two links. Participants explore the physics formulas that describe how energy and motion are transferred between links when one link is moved, while considering the constraints that the chain cannot collapse and that all links maintain contact at their tips.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks formulas to understand the energy transfer and directional effects between two links of a chain when one link is moved.
  • Another participant describes the kinematics of the links, detailing the degrees of freedom and providing equations for the positions and velocities of the links based on their angles and lengths.
  • There is a clarification regarding the variable 'l', with one participant questioning whether it represents the full length of the rod or half of it.
  • A participant raises a question about the derivation of the translational kinetic energy formula, specifically the factor of M/2.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for kinetic energy and corrects the length of the rod in relation to the moment of inertia calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and derivations of certain variables and formulas. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the variable 'l' or the derivation of the kinetic energy formula, indicating that multiple views and clarifications are present.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the system, such as the nature of the links and their interactions, remain implicit. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the definitions of variables and the derivation of specific equations.

ComputerPsi
Messages
24
Reaction score
0
I want to simulate the (probably chaotic) two dimensional movement of a chain, given that there is no gravity, and all of the links of the chain have some constant mass. Additionally, there is an assumption that the chain cannot collapse - all of the links of the chain will always be touching at their tips. Basically, one would move one side of the chain up and down and observe how this affects the rest of the chain.

I am trying to find some type of physics formulas that allow me to understand the individual interactions between two links of a chain. After one link moves at a certain degree into some direction with some energy, how much energy, in what direction will go into the second link? How will the first link be affected from the second link being connected to it? etc..
I'm not very interested in a formula that describes the chain as a whole. Instead I'm interested in the specific interaction between two links of the chain.

Does anybody know the generic names for these formulas, or some place that references them?

Thank you,
Ven
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Each link is a rigid rod having three degrees of freedom (2 translational and 1 rotational). Let [itex](x_{k}, y_{k})[/itex] be the Cartesian coordinates of the CM of the kth rod and [itex]\theta_{k}[/itex] is the angle the rod's axis builds with the positive x-axis. Therefore, the left and right ends of the kth rod have coordinates:

[tex] x_{l k} = x_{k} - l \, \cos{\theta_{k}}[/tex]

[tex] y_{l k} = y_{k} - l \, \sin{\theta_{k}}[/tex]

[tex] x_{r k} = x_{k} + l \, \cos{\theta_{k}}[/tex]

[tex] y_{r k} = y_{k} + l \, \sin{\theta_{k}}[/tex]

But, the left end of the (k+1)st rod is the same as the right end of the kth rod, so we have the relation:

[tex] x_{k + 1} - l \, \cos{\theta_{k + 1}} = x_{k} + l \, \cos{\theta_{k}} \Rightarrow x_{k + 1} - x_{k} = l \, \left( \cos{\theta_{k}} + \cos{\theta_{k +1}} \right)[/tex]

[tex] y_{k + 1} - l \, \sin{\theta_{k + 1}} = y_{k} + l \, \sin{\theta_{k}} \Rightarrow y_{k + 1} - y_{k} = l \, \left( \sin{\theta_{k}} + \sin{\theta_{k +1}} \right)[/tex]

Knowing the coordinates of the left hand end of the 0th rod:

[tex] x_{l 0} = x_{0} - l \, \cos{\theta_{0}} \Rightarrow x_{0} = x_{l 0} + l \, \cos{\theta_{0}}[/tex]

[tex] y_{l 0} = y_{0} - l \, \ain{\theta_{0}} \Rightarrow y_{0} = y_{l 0} + l \, \sin{\theta_{0}}[/tex]

We can get the CM coordinates of the kth rod as:

[tex] x_{k} = x_{l 0} + 2 \, l \, \sum_{j = 0}^{k - 1}{\cos{\theta_{j}}} + l \, \cos{\theta_{k}}, \; k \ge 1[/tex]

[tex] y_{k} = y_{l 0} + 2 \, l \, \sum_{j = 0}^{k - 1}{\sin{\theta_{j}}} + l \, \sin{\theta_{k}}, \; k \ge 1[/tex]

The velocities of the CM of the kth rod are:

[tex] \dot{x}_{k} = \dot{x}_{l 0} - 2 \, l \, \sum_{j = 0}^{k - 1}{\dot{\theta}_{j} \, \sin{\theta_{j}}} - l \, \dot{\theta}_{k} \, \sin{\theta_{k}}, \; k \ge 1[/tex]

[tex] \dot{y}_{k} = \dot{y}_{l 0} + 2 \, l \, \sum_{j = 0}^{k - 1}{\dot{\theta}_{j} \, \cos{\theta_{j}}} + l \, \dot{\theta}_{k} \, \cos{\theta_{k}}, \; k \ge 1[/tex]

Thus, the kinetic energy of the translational motion is:

[tex] T_{\mathrm{trans}} = \frac{M}{2} \, \sum_{i = 0}^{N - 1}{\left(\dot{x}^{2}_{i} + \dot{y}^{2}_{i}\right)}[/tex]

Substitute the upper equations and do some regrouping of terms! I suppose you want to consider the non-trivial case when there is more than 1 rod.

Added to this kinetic energy, there is also the kinetic energy due to rotational motion of each rod. The moment of inertia of each rod is:

[tex] I_{0} = \frac{M \, L^{2}}{12}[/tex]

[tex] T_{\mathrm{rot}} = \frac{I_{0}}{2} \, \sum_{i = 0}^{N - 1}{\dot{\theta}^{2}_{i}}[/tex]

If there is no potential energy due to the change in the configuration of the chain and there is no potential energy due to external fields, then the total Lagrangian of the system is:

[tex] L = T_{\mathrm{trans}} + T_{\mathrm{rot}}[/tex]

and the equations of motion are:

[tex] \frac{d}{dt} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}_{k}}\right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta_{k}} = 0, 0 \le k \le N - 1[/tex]

[tex] \frac{d}{dt} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}_{l 0}}\right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial x_{l 0}} = 0[/tex]

[tex] \frac{d}{dt} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{y}_{l 0}}\right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial y_{l 0}} = 0[/tex]
 
Wow. Thank you Dickfore for that input. I've started to look at the top part of the equations.. it's a lot to take in, but I'll figure it out due some time.
For now I just have one small question to confirm what I have been thinking about for the top formulas:
The variable l. That's the length of each rod, correct?

Thanks,
Ven
 
...After thinking about it, it seems (X, Y) represent the "center" of each rod and the variable l is actually 1/2 of the length of each rod. Is this correct?
 
Dickfore said:
Thus, the kinetic energy of the translational motion is:

[tex] T_{\mathrm{trans}} = \frac{M}{2} \, \sum_{i = 0}^{N - 1}{\left(\dot{x}^{2}_{i} + \dot{y}^{2}_{i}\right)}[/tex]

How did you get this? Especially the M / 2 part..
 
Kinteric energy is:

[tex] T = \frac{1}{2} \, M \, v^{2}[/tex]

where

[tex] v^{2} = v^{2}_{x} + v^{2}_{y}[/tex]

is the speed of the CM squared.

You are right about the previous post, the length of the rod is actually [itex]2 l[/itex], making the formula for the moment of inertia of each rod (with respect to an axis passing through the CM):

[tex] I_{0} = \frac{M L^{2}}{3}[/tex]
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
9K