How do I compute the derivative of ln (7x+1)^1/2 (3x^2+x)^5 / (x^2-3)^3 e^2x?

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The problem involves computing the derivative of the natural logarithm of a complex expression that includes a product and quotient of functions, specifically ln((7x+1)^(1/2) * (3x^2+x)^5 / ((x^2-3)^3 * e^(2x))).

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  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule and logarithmic properties to simplify the expression before differentiation. There are attempts to rewrite the logarithmic expression using properties such as ln(a/b) = ln(a) - ln(b) and ln(a^b) = b*ln(a).

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Some participants have provided guidance on using logarithmic properties to break down the expression into simpler terms. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of these properties and the subsequent differentiation process. Multiple interpretations of the final expression and its correctness are being examined.

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Participants note potential errors in the final expressions, such as missing terms and signs, which are under discussion. The complexity of the expression and the need for careful simplification before differentiation are emphasized.

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The question is to compute the derivative of
ln (7x+1)^1/2 (3X^2+x)^5
(x^2-3)^3 e^2x
the ln is for both the numerator and denominator

I tried the chain rule and came up with this

1
(7x+1)^1/2 (3x^2+x)^5
(x^2-3)^3 e^2x

and finally 6x(x^2-3)^2 2e^2x
7/2(7x+1)^-1/2 30x(3x^2+x)^4
 
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You may want to try to apply some logarithm properties to that to simplify it.

For example, lna/b is the same thing as lna - lnb. lna^b = blna. lna*b = lna + lnb...
 
nanai said:
The question is to compute the derivative of
ln (7x+1)^1/2 (3X^2+x)^5
(x^2-3)^3 e^2x
the ln is for both the numerator and denominator

I tried the chain rule and came up with this

1
(7x+1)^1/2 (3x^2+x)^5
(x^2-3)^3 e^2x

and finally 6x(x^2-3)^2 2e^2x
7/2(7x+1)^-1/2 30x(3x^2+x)^4

Are you sayingthat your final expression is your final result for the derivative? That is not correct.

As Moose said, use first properties of the ln to write this as a *SUM* of 4 terms and bring down the exponents using ln(a^n)= n ln(a). Also, use [itex]ln ( e^{2x}) = 2x[/itex]. Only after doing all that you should take the derivative and it will be quite simple.
 
ok I used the ln property and here is what I got.

ln(7x+1)^1/2+ln(3x^2+x)^5-ln(x^2-3)^3+lne^2x

1/2ln(7x+1) +5ln(3x^2+x)-3ln(x^2-3)+2x

and finally 1/2*7/7x+1+5*6x/3x^2+x -3*2x/x^2-3 + 2

am I right?
 
Apart from the '+1' missing from numerator of the third term(in the final answer), everything else seems to be right.
 
It's -2x, not +2x (e2x was in the denominator of the fraction.)
And, of course, you'll want to simplify those fractions.
 
Thanks everyone
 

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