How Do I Correctly Calculate the Electric Force Vector Direction and Magnitude?

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This discussion revolves around calculating the electric force vector direction and magnitude, specifically focusing on the forces acting on charge q1 in a system of point charges. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct angle to use for calculations and the resulting force direction compared to their teacher's expectations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric force but questions the angles used in their calculations. They express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the angles related to the forces acting on q1 and seek clarification on the direction of the force.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the clarity of the original poster's question, noting the importance of specifying units and directions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of components and angles, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is under time pressure due to an upcoming exam, which may influence the urgency and clarity of their inquiries. There are indications of confusion regarding the conventions used in measuring angles and forces.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



F_xy=(k*q*q)/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



This is a problem involving Electric Force:

http://postimage.org/image/y4h1ubp8b/


My goal is to find the direction and magnitude of q1. However, every time i do it, i get .04 N @ 189 degrees when our teacher says it is 262.

I am also confused about what angle i should use when finding the components on q1 and q3. Is it 64 degrees or 26 degrees? Can someone show me what angle i should use and why?

I have a big exam tommorow and i am very stressed. I'd love an answer.

The Forces are as follows: F12=.054, F13=.014, F23= .11

Here is some work: sin(26.6)*.014= .006, which is x component of vector

cos(26.6) *.014- .054=-.41, which is my y component

I do phythag to get my force, which is .41 Newtons.

When I do inverse tangent of .006/.041, i get 8 degrees. I add this to 180 to get a final answer of 188. My teacher said its near 262. What did i do??
 
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Manodesi524 said:

Homework Statement



http://postimage.org/image/y4h1ubp8b/

Homework Equations



F_xy=(k*q*q)/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



This is a problem involving Electric Force:

http://postimage.org/image/y4h1ubp8b/


My goal is to find the direction and magnitude of q1. However, every time i do it, i get .04 N @ 189 degrees when our teacher says it is 262.
Do you mean 262 N, or 262° ?

q1 doesn't have a direction.

Do you mean the direction of the force on q1?

I am also confused about what angle i should use when finding the components on q1 and q3. Is it 64 degrees or 26 degrees? Can someone show me what angle i should use and why?

I have a big exam tomorrow and i am very stressed. I'd love an answer.

The Forces are as follows: F12=.054, F13=.014, F23= .11

Here is some work: sin(26.6)*.014= .006, which is x component of vector

cos(26.6) *.014- .054=-.41, which is my y component

I do phythag to get my force, which is .41 Newtons.

When I do inverse tangent of .006/.041, i get 8 degrees. I add this to 180 to get a final answer of 188. My teacher said its near 262. What did i do??
 
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One helpful suggestion: people will be more willing to help you if you take the time to write out everything properly. Throughout your question, you've ignored units in most places (the cardinal sin of physics!), dropped zeroes (do you mean 0.41N or 0.041N?), and not explained the conventions you're using. "@ 189 degrees" doesn't mean anything to us. 189/262 degrees relative to what? And in which direction, clockwise or counter-clockwise? Like SammyS said, q1 doesn't have direction. Do you mean the force on q1? As it is, you've made it very difficult for someone to help you because you haven't taken the time the write your question out clearly. I think I've mostly been able to figure out what you mean, and I'll help you—but honestly, I'm not sure I should be doing so. I'm doing it since you have a test tomorrow, but please don't let this reinforce this kind of carelessness.

You've calculated the magnitude of the force correctly: it is indeed 0.04 Newtons (mind your significant figures!). You haven't shown which angle you're labeling with 26.6 degrees, but your components are correct (with the exception of the missing zero in your y-component). Thus, arctan(0.041N/0.006N) = 81.7^{\circ}, or the vector points 82 degrees counter-clockwise from west. If you're measuring counter-clockwise from east (as I suppose your teacher is), you get 180 degrees + 82 degrees = 262 degrees. So, it appears you just got your opposite and your adjacent components backwards.

Please put more effort into writing a clear question next time. Good luck on your test.
 
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Sorry guys! Yes I was very messy. I appreciate all of ur replies. I figured it out at about 2 last night. I'm taking honors physics in 3 weeks and it's very daunting!
 

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