How do I correctly derive the formula d = vt + 1/2 at^2?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the formula d = vt + 1/2 at^2, focusing on the steps involved in arriving at this equation. Participants explore both algebraic and calculus-based approaches to understand the relationship between displacement, velocity, and acceleration, with an emphasis on the implications of initial velocity and constant acceleration.

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  • Some participants express confusion about their derivation process, noting they arrive at 1/2(vt + at^2) and seek clarification on how to properly account for initial velocity.
  • Others provide steps for deriving the formula, including using relationships between displacement, velocity, and acceleration, but some steps are questioned for their validity.
  • A participant mentions that displacement can be understood as the area under the velocity curve, referencing calculus concepts such as integration.
  • Another participant suggests that for constant acceleration, algebraic methods can be used instead of calculus, presenting a derivation based on average velocity.
  • One participant emphasizes the distinction between average velocity and instantaneous velocity, clarifying that v = d/t is not accurate without considering the context of calculus.
  • Another participant provides a complete derivation using calculus, including initial conditions and integration, leading to the final formula.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation steps, with some methods being challenged and others proposed. The discussion includes multiple competing views on how to approach the derivation, indicating that the topic remains unresolved.

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Some participants' derivations rely on assumptions about constant acceleration and initial conditions, which may not be explicitly stated. There are also unresolved questions regarding the validity of certain steps in the derivation process.

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d=vt+1/2at^2
Derive me this formula please... When I do I get 1/2(vt+at^2)...i know that I'm doing a mistake by not considering the initial velocity... So how do I correct it?
 
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anandzoom said:
d=vt+1/2at^2
Derive me this formula please... When I do I get 1/2(vt+at^2)...i know that I'm doing a mistake by not considering the initial velocity... So how do I correct it?

Welcome to the PF.

Can you show us the steps of your derivation? That will help us find any errors.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Can you show us the steps of your derivation? That will help us find any errors.

v=d/t ;d=vt
a=d/t^2 ;d=at^2
1/2d+1/2d=1/2vt+1/2at^2
d=1/2(vt+at^2)
 
anandzoom said:
v=d/t ;d=vt
a=d/t^2 ;d=at^2
1/2d+1/2d=1/2vt+1/2at^2
d=1/2(vt+at^2)

Thank you, that helps. Have you had any Calculus yet? Are you familiar with derivatives?
 
berkeman said:
Thank you, that helps. Have you had any Calculus yet? Are you familiar with derivatives?
Yup
 
anandzoom said:
Yup

Great. In that case, where did the bolded equation come from below?

anandzoom said:
v=d/t ;d=vt
a=d/t^2 ;d=at^2
1/2d+1/2d=1/2vt+1/2at^2
d=1/2(vt+at^2)
 
berkeman said:
Great. In that case, where did the bolded equation come from below?
acceleration= velocity/time
 
anandzoom said:
acceleration= velocity/time

Actually it's the change in velocity over time, or in calculus, a(t) = dv(t)/dt.

But it's also possible to do the derivation for a constant acceleration using only triangles. Here's a YouTube video that helps to explain it:



:smile:
 
How can you say that displacement is area under the velocity curve?
 
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anandzoom said:
How can you say that displacement is area under the velocity curve?

That's from calculus:

v(t) = dx(t)/dt

a(t) = dv(t)/dt

So when you integrate both sides of the first equation, you are effectively finding the "area under the curve"...

x = \int{v(t) dt}
 
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Ok thanks
 
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If acceleration is constant, then you can use algebra instead of calculus. Note that Δt means change in time, Δx means change in position, a = acceleration, v = velocity.

initial velocity = v
final velocity = v + a Δt
average velocity = (initial velocity + final velocity) / 2 = ((v) + (v a Δt))/2 = v + 1/2 a Δt
Δx = average velocity Δt = (v + 1/2 a Δt) Δt = v Δt + 1/2 a Δt^2
 
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it is not possible to write v = d/t but v=dx/dt and a = dv/dt
then v(t) =∫a(t)dt =at + v , v is the initial velocity and the acceleration a is constant.
it comes : x(t) =∫v(t)dt = 1/2 at^2 + vt + x(0), x(0) is the initial position assumed nill then x(0) =0

finally the distance d is x(t) =d= vt + 1/2 a t^2
 
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