How do I express delta as a function of epsilon in epsilon-delta proofs?

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The discussion revolves around understanding epsilon-delta proofs in the context of limits, specifically the limit of the function (x^4 - y^4) / (x^2 + y^2) as (x,y) approaches (0,0). Participants express confusion about the initial steps and the relationship between epsilon and delta in these proofs.

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  • Participants discuss their understanding of the epsilon-delta definition and express uncertainty about how to begin the proof. There are attempts to manipulate the function and questions about the validity of setting variables to zero. Suggestions include factoring the numerator and exploring how to express delta in terms of epsilon.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking guidance on how to proceed. Some have offered suggestions for starting points, while others are questioning the proper formulation of delta as a function of epsilon.

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Participants are grappling with the foundational concepts of epsilon-delta proofs and the specific requirements for expressing delta in relation to epsilon. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the definitions and relationships involved in the proof process.

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Im having trouble with epsilon -delta proofs in general... I keep looking at lots of examples I am just having trouble figuring what steps to take first. My question is the lim (x,y) -- > (0,0) of x^4-y^4/ x^2+ y^2

I understand the definition of the epsilon delta proofs, i just can't wrap my brain around what to do!


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Not much. I know i can figure out |x^4|/ x^2 +0 = |x| <= e , and then the same for the y component ... But I am not really sure why you can just let y or x =0 ? Super confused...
 
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You need to show that for any value [tex]\varepsilon>0[/tex] there is a [tex]\delta[/tex] such that when the distance between (x,y) and (0,0) is smaller than [tex]\delta[/tex] the value of
[tex]|x^4-y^4/ x^2+ y^2|[/tex] is smaller than [tex]\varepsilon[/tex].
 
Any suggestion on how i should start?
 
How about factorising the numerator?
 
okay,,,

so i did

(x^2 +y ^2 ) (x^2 - y ^2) and cancelled,

so |x+y||x-y| < e

am i able to put delta, as e/|x-y| , or can i only bring real numbers back and forth between the inequality signs?
 
Your question is now:
"My question is the lim (x,y) -- > (0,0) of x^2-y^2 "

You cannot use x and y to express delta.
Whatever epsilon I give you, you need to be able to give me some delta so that whenever the distance between (x,y) and (0,0) is smaller than delta the distance between x^2-y^2 and the limit L, is smaller than epsilon. So, you better express delta as a function of epsilon, that way you will have an answer for any epsilon I might give you.
 

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