How do I find the coefficient of friction?

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The discussion revolves around determining the coefficient of rolling friction based on an experiment involving a car's drift distance after being put into neutral. The original poster provides specific measurements, including the car's weight, tire radius, and time taken for the drift, while seeking guidance on calculating average negative acceleration, rolling friction, and the coefficient of rolling friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of average negative acceleration and frictional force, with some questioning the use of specific values for mass and force. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between frictional force and normal force, as well as the units associated with the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided feedback on the calculations presented, with some affirming the correctness of the results. There is ongoing clarification regarding the units of the coefficient of friction and the appropriate values to use in calculations. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of instruction from the original poster's teacher regarding the topic, leading to confusion about the calculations and concepts related to friction.

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Homework Statement


Please help this is due tomorrow. I was made to do an experiment and here it is.

I had to designate a fixed starting point, drive at 10 mph until that point, put the car into neutral and see how far it drifted until it stopped. Then I was instructed to go the opposite way and do the same thing.

Average rolling distance: 55.125 meters
Weight of the car: 1649.7154 kg, or 1617.2109 Newtons
Radius of tires: .333 meters
Time Taken average: 34 seconds

I'm suppose to find the average negative acceleration of my car, the rolling friction during the experiment and the coefficient of rolling friction.

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N/A, show if you used different..


The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt is below I'm not sure how to get much more than the average negative acceleration.

10 mph = 4.5 m/s (for convenience)

Average neg accel: (0-4.5m/s)/34 seconds = -.1324 m/s^2

Frictional force: 16167.2109N * .1324 = 2190.5387N

Coefficient of rolling friction: (10^2)/(2*9.8*55.125) = .0926N

Again I'm confused on coeff of rolling friction
 
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SpecialOps0 said:

Homework Statement



The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt is below I'm not sure how to get much more than the average negative acceleration.

10 mph = 4.5 m/s (for convenience)

Average neg accel: (0-4.5m/s)/34 seconds = -.1324 m/s^2

Frictional force: 16167.2109N * .1324 = 2190.5387N

Coefficient of rolling friction: (10^2)/(2*9.8*55.125) = .0926N

Again I'm confused on coeff of rolling friction

Force is mass times acceleration, so instead of 16167.2109 N, you should use 1649.7154 kg.

Coefficient of friction is simply the ratio of frictional force and normal force. Normal force is equal to gravitational force (why?)
 
So it's 1649.7154 * .1324 = 218.4223N for the force?

and 218.422/16167.2109 = .0135 For the frictional rolling?

My teacher never explained this and I can't find it in my textbook other than in more advanced chapters I don't understand.
 
Yes, that looks right.
 
Thank you all who helped :D this is now my new favorite site haha.
 
Ooops I meant
218.4223N is the rolling force?

.0135 is the coefficient ?
 
Yes, as Sourabah N noted, that looks correct. Except you should round off your answers to 2 significant figures. 220 N is the rolling friction force, and 0.014 is the rolling friction coefficient.
 
Thanks again sorry I mixed up my labeling before.

Does the .014 have a label as N?
 
SpecialOps0 said:
Thanks again sorry I mixed up my labeling before.

Does the .014 have a label as N?

Sourabh N said:
Force is mass times acceleration, so instead of 16167.2109 N, you should use 1649.7154 kg.

Coefficient of friction is simply the ratio of frictional force and normal force. Normal force is equal to gravitational force (why?)
Again as noted above, the coefficient is force unit divided by force unit, so does it have any units?
 
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No, ok ty :).
 

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