How do i find the principal form of this complex number

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the principal form of a complex number expressed as z = (10 - j + elog(j))^2. Participants are exploring the necessary steps to determine the length and angle of the components involved, specifically 10 - j and elog(j).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in expanding the expression for z and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant defines the principal form of a complex number as ln(z) = ln(r) + jθ.
  • A participant suggests finding the length and angle of the components 10 - j and elog(j) as the first step in determining the principal form.
  • One participant questions the similarity of 10 - j and elog(j) to forms discussed in school, indicating confusion and requesting further hints.
  • Another participant attempts to calculate ln(10 - j) and discusses the properties of j, noting its length and angle, and encourages further exploration of elog(j).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to find the length and angle of the components to determine the principal form, but there is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or the definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and forms of the components, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals studying complex numbers, particularly those interested in the principal form and logarithmic properties of complex numbers.

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z= (10-j+elogj)2


I tried expanding but it just made it more complicated.
help please!
 
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the principal form is defined in my book as
ln(z)=ln(r)+jθ
 
iampaul said:
z= (10-j+elogj)2


I tried expanding but it just made it more complicated.
help please!

Hi iampaul!

To find the principal form you need to find the length and the angle of z.
First step is to find the length and angle of 10-j.
And also of elogj.
Do you know how?
 
How?
That's exactly what my problem is.
10-j and elogj
aren't similar to any of the forms discussed in school.
Can you give another hint?
 
Let's try and find ln(z)=ln(r)+jθ for 10-j and for elogj.

ln(10-j) = -j ln(10) = ln(1) - j ln(10)

So what is the length r and what is the angle θ for 10-j?Let's break elogj apart a little further.

First we look at "j".
Did you know that "j" has length 1 and angle pi/2?
In other words, we have:
$$j = e^{j {\pi \over 2}}$$

Can you take the log of j?

And if so, find the length and angle of elogj?
 
thanks!
 

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